testing out a grado theory...
Mar 30, 2004 at 6:30 PM Post #16 of 46
I like most grado's. I don't like :Sr-60, Sr-80, sr-200 ( prob not the sr-100 either but I haven't heard it)
I really like: Sr-225, Ms-2, Sr-300, Hp-1, Rs-1( prob like the ms-pro but I haven't heard it)
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 6:31 PM Post #17 of 46
well so far 75% of musicians exposed to grados like them (21 out of 28) while 80% of non-musicians like them (32 out of 40).

whatever that means...

anyone want to run a chi-squared for me? (whatever that is...)
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 6:35 PM Post #18 of 46
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Originally posted by rsaavedr
Well any statistician will have so many objections to this poll you have, whichever theory you are trying to test.

How about complementing with other polls like "I'm a Senn's fan and...", also "I'm a Beyer fan", and "I'm an AKG fan..." etc. etc., to be able to somehow factor out the % of musiciancs here. Still many other things pending after that, but it's a begining to some meaningful data analysis, this poll alone is far from it.


Man...I've seen some bad posts before, but this takes the cake.

You don't even know what his null hypothesis is, yet you say that his study is flawed? You don't even give a reason.

Instead, you introduce more variables! Or yeah, that will make it more significant....
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Moreover, this is an informal poll for Goose's entertainment. It's not like he's going to submit it for publication.
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 6:40 PM Post #19 of 46
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Originally posted by usc goose
well so far 75% of musicians exposed to grados like them (21 out of 28) while 80% of non-musicians like them (32 out of 40).

whatever that means...

anyone want to run a chi-squared for me? (whatever that is...)


Maybe it means most musicians have severe hearing loss and are tone-deaf.

















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This is stupid anyway, SR325 doesn't sound like an HP-1, and so forth...
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 6:41 PM Post #20 of 46
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Originally posted by usc goose
well so far 75% of musicians exposed to grados like them (21 out of 28) while 80% of non-musicians like them (32 out of 40).


Don't think it is a statistically significant difference yet...probably need to increase the sample size to get a reasonable margin of error.

It's an interesting idea though and I would be curious to know what headphones musicians prefer.
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 6:44 PM Post #21 of 46
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Originally posted by usc goose


anyone want to run a chi-squared for me? (whatever that is...)


Chi-squared tests the significance of your observed data. You compare the data observed with expected data.

You don't have an expectation, do you? If not, then it is not applicable.
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 6:47 PM Post #23 of 46
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Originally posted by Notorious P.I.G.
Chi-squared tests the significance of your observed data. You compare the data observed with expected data.

You don't have an expectation, do you? If not, then it is not applicable.


i was kidding, i know what it is. i was actually wondering if anyone wanted to do one for me but didn't want to sound too serious.

i haven't done one in about 3 years, so i totally forgot the methodology.

my null hypothesis is that there is no difference in the rates of preference. use whatever p value you want if you want to do one. (it's p value that correlates certainty right?)
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 7:47 PM Post #26 of 46
I'm not a Grado fan and am a musician, though definitely a classically trained musician. I think the reason that I don't enjoy the up-front nature of the Grado's has something to do with my concept of acoustic properties. I've always been taught that music sounds radically different off stage than off. When I play trumpet on stage, several times the director tells me I'm way too loud, and I'm thinking, "What mate?" But it is a huge difference off. For example, I distinctly remember coming late to a performance by our pepband. When playing on stage I thought we were sort of lackluster. Offstage I realized why we were one of the best high school bands in the state, the balance and sound blew me away.

I love playing with an ensemble, but hearing them play from the audience, a good ensemble sounds so much more amazing. This is why I prefer a more laid back sound, closer to the Senn sound.
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 7:52 PM Post #27 of 46
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Originally posted by rsaavedr
Well any statistician will have so many objections to this poll you have, whichever theory you are trying to test.

How about complementing with other polls like "I'm a Senn's fan and...", also "I'm a Beyer fan", and "I'm an AKG fan..." etc. etc., to be able to somehow factor out the % of musiciancs here. Still many other things pending after that, but it's a begining to some meaningful data analysis, this poll alone is far from it.



This poll is merely a bit of fun and is implicitly about Grado phones and not some kind of general headphone survey.

"Any statistician" would tell you that if you want to find out if there was a connection between being a musician and liking Grado phones you would ask a question about Grado phones and whether the respondee was a musician. If you want your own survey to find out what was the preferred headphone of musicians (at least the ones that are registered to Head-fi, in itself hardly in any way representative of the general population, or indeed musicians) which seems to be the survey you're suggesting then start a new thread.

I'm a musician who thinks they are OK so I can't really come down on either side, this is my reservation with this poll.
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 7:52 PM Post #28 of 46
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Originally posted by Notorious P.I.G.
Man...I've seen some bad posts before, but this takes the cake.


Don't see why you think my post is too bad. Officially not knowing his null hypothesis doesn't mean I can't tell where he is going. And with a poll like this he will gather very insufficient and misleading data to gather any valid conclusion, that was my only point. Indeed he is doing this just for entertainment, that doesn't invalidate my observation to beware of bad data analysis methodology in general, or ill designed experiments.
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 7:53 PM Post #29 of 46
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Originally posted by oneeyedhobbit
I'm not a Grado fan and am a musician, though definitely a classically trained musician. I think the reason that I don't enjoy the up-front nature of the Grado's has something to do with my concept of acoustic properties. I've always been taught that music sounds radically different off stage than off.
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I love playing with an ensemble, but hearing them play from the audience, a good ensemble sounds so much more amazing. This is why I prefer a more laid back sound, closer to the Senn sound.


Thanks for that, I agree completely. On violin anyway, the sound under the ear has to be rather rough and abrasive (more Grado-like? heh) in order to sound good in a big hall.

Real live sound is always my reference point.
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 7:56 PM Post #30 of 46
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Originally posted by rsaavedr
Don't see why you think my post is too bad. Officially not knowing his null hypothesis doesn't mean I can't tell where he is going. And with a poll like this he will gather very insufficient and misleading data to gather any valid conclusion, that was my only point.


well that's kind of a given that the data taken here is very informal and not the end-all argument for anything. there's really no need to point that out, especially since i didn't say i was setting out to prove anything. not that i was put off or anything by what you posted.

i just made the poll because i was just bored... and/or wasted.
 
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