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post #796 of 1851
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Originally Posted by Nick Dangerous View Post

 

For me, the Philips 5R4GYS was highly detailed, but gutless. Almost no bass. It was my least favorite rectifier in the Decware amps.

 

Let me cut-and-paste my personal notes from this year... OK... got it...

 

Now presenting my personal "Rectifier Rolling Roundup" (using CSP2+ with HD800):

 

Note: All tubes ranked WORST to BEST. All opinions are my own 2c so no refunds or guarantees final sale only yada yada. I broke them up into tiers which represented notable jumps in sound quality.

 

And now... the RRR:

 

Tier one: Not ready for prime time

Philips 5R4GYS - Very detailed but not especially sweet. Weak bass. The prototypical sterile/cerebral magic-destroying tube experience. Blech.

Shuguang (stock tube) 5U4G - Decent all-round, but not remarkable in any particular way.

RCA brown base 5R4GY - Strong unfocused bass & lush midrange. Has some personality but way too sloppy and bloated.

 

Tier two: The steely trio

Sylvania 5Y3GT red lettering - Excellent sparkly detail up top, but suffers from that Philips-esque steely/lack of lushness/soft bass tradeoff thing.

Tung Sol 5Y3GT - Superior to the Sylvania w/slightly better bass but again a bit too flat and sterile. Voices lack the magic. Sort of "hi fi" sounding.

Bendix 6106 - Similar to the Sylvania & Tung Sol. Good range but again too steely for my tastes.

 

Tier three: Competent, but unremarkable

RCA 5U4G black base - The lushness is back. Good top-to-bottom control. But otherwise... meh. 

Sylvania 5U4G - Very similar to the RCA 5U4G above. A bit darker.

Tung Sol 5U4G - The best of the cheap 5U4G's. Better balanced than the Sylvania above, but still unmemorable.

 

***you are now crossing the DMZ Line of Recommendation***

 

Tier four: I could live with that... if I had to

Valve Art 274B cryo - Lively soundstage, a bit bass-light, but not sterile. The first cheap & good tube I'd recommend.

Mazda 5Y3GB mini coke bottle - Another step up… I think? Neat-o heater & bottle design!

Sylvania 5Y3G mini coke bottle - Similar to the Mazda. A smidge on the delicate and distant side. Resembles a "polite USAF-596".

Brimar 5R4GY - Not the final word in sparkly detail. It's a bit too soft on top, but the pumping bass is well-controlled and the midrange is just gorgeous. A bit of a specialist but what it does, it does well.

USAF-596 - It's "all there". Very detailed, top to bottom, with no glaring weaknesses... save one... it has a subtle "lifelessness" to it that I just can't abide. Like the slightest hazy veneer on an otherwise perfect car wax.

 

Tier five: The ones I kept

RCA 5Y3GT - Amazingly cheap yet it ROCKS w/solid bass presence and response up and down the spectrum. It lacks that final n'th of detail, but it's hardly a dealbreaker. It's got "the tone"... lots of personality here. This was the tube featured at the Austin 2013 meet & was very well received.

EML 5U4G meshplate - Yeah, it's the most expensive of them all, but also the best I've heard. My newest (and likely final) rectifier selection. Delivers maximum detail without giving up any of that lush evocative tube magic. The only ding I could give it would be how the RCA delivers a smidge more satisfaction when it comes to slammin' gut-level bass. But the EML isn't deficient by any means. Its finesse is what ultimately carries the day. Needs to warm up at least 30 minutes for maximum effect. $$$ and fragile, but a worthy upgrade for the CSP2+ in my opinion.

 

Happy rolling & hope it helps! 

Outstanding Review,Nick.

 

Got the RCA yesterday,and you already know,I have the EML,but,

I have no amp,in for re-certification

Will do a a/b test ,as soon as I get the taboo back.

 

I'm alittle surprised on  your take with the ValveArt 274B??--just my .02's though-different tubes for old cryoed ears ,like mine.

post #797 of 1851
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Originally Posted by mikek200 View Post

Outstanding Review,Nick.

 

Got the RCA yesterday,and you already know,I have the EML,but,

I have no amp,in for re-certification

Will do a a/b test ,as soon as I get the taboo back.

 

I'm alittle surprised on  your take with the ValveArt 274B??--just my .02's though-different tubes for old cryoed ears ,like mine.

 

You mean... surprised because I ranked it too high/low?

post #798 of 1851
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Originally Posted by Nick Dangerous View Post

 

You mean... surprised because I ranked it too high/low?

No,I thought they might be in Tier 5,but,Tier 4 is right up there too.

Again,my old cryoed ears,& my genre of music I prefer ,could have something to do with it?

 

About the price ,on the EML--I know it scares many people away{$264.00 for a new one},,...ouch...but my reasoning is,why spend $1700 for a new Taboo,and then settle on a so-so set of tunes? ,and,

No,I am not a rich man...& each tube I buy,has to be approved by my better half.

 

Anymore suggestions & feedback ,will be greatly appreciated.

Tnx


Edited by mikek200 - 6/28/13 at 12:30pm
post #799 of 1851

The right combo of input and output tubes may change a listeners opinion of their rectifier choice too...

post #800 of 1851

Sweet, can't wait to get some tubes next week and try them out.  I took the whole week off, not just for this, but I will have plenty of time to get some good listening in.  I also just finished painting building my DIY Zenhead and will be putting it through its paces.  Found some issues with paint that will cause a re-spray this weekend.


Edited by bearFNF - 6/28/13 at 1:27pm
post #801 of 1851
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

The right combo of input and output tubes may change a listeners opinion of their rectifier choice too...

I agree..

When I first got the Taboo,it was suggested  that I first select the Signal tube >then the Rectifier ,> then Output tube,and thats what I did.

Question:

I am using the stock 6P15-ev/sv83.

I tried the El84,but wasn't that pleased with it

Is the EL 84 ,a much more popular tube..I'm reading a lot of guys are using it

Am I missing something?

post #802 of 1851
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Originally Posted by mikek200 View Post

I agree..

When I first got the Taboo,it was suggested  that I first select the Signal tube >then the Rectifier ,> then Output tube,and thats what I did.

Question:

I am using the stock 6P15-ev/sv83.

I tried the El84,but wasn't that pleased with it

Is the EL 84 ,a much more popular tube..I'm reading a lot of guys are using it

Am I missing something?

I think it depends on the combination you're using.  They might not sound so great when paired with certain tubes.  I've liked them in my system.

post #803 of 1851

Remember that you have two primary variables...

 

1. The tube combo you are trying

 

and

 

2. Your own ears, which hear things differently than everyone else.

 

So, you may end up with a combo that others are not excited about, but really sound great to you. Reading the threads will give you some starting points, but you have to take your own journey. Enjoy it, that is the point.

post #804 of 1851
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Originally Posted by OPR8R View Post

I think it depends on the combination you're using.  They might not sound so great when paired with certain tubes.  I've liked them in my system.

When I tried them,I remember the seller, telling me ,it was a brand new tube-it looks that way too.

Might just need some break in?

I'll give it a go ,when I get my Taboo back

 

Tnx

post #805 of 1851
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

The right combo of input and output tubes may change a listeners opinion of their rectifier choice too...

Quite true. I did my best to cross-reference my findings with other signal tubes and settled upon one (1960's Mullard old shield E88CC) which allowed the greatest nuances of the different rectifiers to come forth. Then I rolled all again from that vantage point, and re-ranked accordingly.

It's not an absolute authoritative list, but it should get most folks within striking distance without too much fuss.
Edited by Nick Dangerous - 6/28/13 at 3:10pm
post #806 of 1851
I can confirm the wait is not long, from when mad dude's CSP2 went through the process last year. The shipping took longer. IDK exactly but can't have been more than 3-4 days.
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Originally Posted by jazzerdave View Post


Yeah, I don't think they have a list because the wait isn't that long. 
post #807 of 1851

 

Tier five: The ones I kept

RCA 5Y3GT - Amazingly cheap yet it ROCKS w/solid bass presence and response up and down the spectrum. It lacks that final n'th of detail, but it's hardly a dealbreaker. It's got "the tone"... lots of personality here. This was the tube featured at the Austin 2013 meet & was very well received.

EML 5U4G meshplate - Yeah, it's the most expensive of them all, but also the best I've heard. My newest (and likely final) rectifier selection. Delivers maximum detail without giving up any of that lush evocative tube magic. The only ding I could give it would be how the RCA delivers a smidge more satisfaction when it comes to slammin' gut-level bass. But the EML isn't deficient by any means. Its finesse is what ultimately carries the day. Needs to warm up at least 30 minutes for maximum effect. $$$ and fragile, but a worthy upgrade for the CSP2+ in my opinion.

 

Happy rolling & hope it helps! 

Do you know if there is a difference between the standard RCA tube vs. the RCA Miniwatt?

Or is it just a different label

post #808 of 1851

Tubes came in, Frank.  They appear to be in even better condition than the ones I already have.  Thanks!

post #809 of 1851
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by OPR8R View Post

Tubes came in, Frank.  They appear to be in even better condition than the ones I already have.  Thanks!

Great I will leave you some feedback and glad you like them.

post #810 of 1851

Hey Frank what are the odds of getting a comparison between the WA5 and the Taboo?

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