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post #736 of 1292
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post


I just finished meeting with the chaps behind the VERZA & it seems it's due to the way Samsung implemented their USB Audio. This issue isn't VERZA specific cos where other DAC/Amp that used to work with the S3 (the Apex Glacier for example) stopped working with the S4 too.

Thanks for Checking....look like I was also taken in by V Moda all over the internet that S4 can work with Verza. Although i have all version of iphones and Samsung phones, but still feeling sore about S4 cannot work on the Verza. 

post #737 of 1292
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Originally Posted by golferbrad6664 View Post

I hope they get this issue fixed cause the S4 is replacing the S3 and Vmoda  was suppose to come out with a metallo case for the s4.  Wow, this makes the verza useless to Android users with current new phones

LOL...Ya man!....what is the use of the Metallo when the S4 cannot even work with it? Neither can it be a battery pack.

post #738 of 1292
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LOL...Ya man!....what is the use of the Metallo when the S4 cannot even work with it? Neither can it be a battery pack.

 

That part I'm not so sure. I didn't ask that question last night. Has anyone tried? Just to reiterate, this issue i not just VERZA limited as other portable DAC/Amps that used to work (with the OTG cable even) no longer works with the S4. This is something on Samsung's side to fix. Dan Ba's List of DACs compatiable with Android: http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/2535 Note how the list for S4 is less than the S3.
post #739 of 1292
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


Not for me.
Me neither
post #740 of 1292
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Originally Posted by golferbrad6664 View Post

I hope they get this issue fixed cause the S4 is replacing the S3 and Vmoda  was suppose to come out with a metallo case for the s4.  Wow, this makes the verza useless to Android users with current new phones


I actually just purchased a replacement Iphone 4 from the Apple store since the static/crackling issue was with my phone, not either of the V-Moda amps.  I didn't want to upgrade to Iphone 5 because Iphone 5s/6 is around the corner and I have no idea if the Metallo case will fit beyond Iphone 5, plus my Vamp would be useless for all practical purposes.  I have Verza put aside for future use (the $250 discount for Vamp owners when Verza launched was just too good to pass up) and hope Apple doesn't go the Samsung route and make product development even more difficult for third-party manufacturers (i.e. lightning port) like Venturecraft/V-Moda who are developing unique, lifestyle-enhancing products.

post #741 of 1292
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 

That part I'm not so sure. I didn't ask that question last night. Has anyone tried?Just to reiterate, this issue i not just VERZA limited as other portable DAC/Amps that used to work (with the OTG cable even) no longer works with the S4. This is something on Samsung's side to fix.Dan Ba's List of DACs compatiable with Android: http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/2535Note how the list for S4 is less than the S3.

I tried it, no charging at all 

True that the USB audio has to do with inside the S4, i doubt Samsung is going to do anything about it.

Whereas a software fix in the S4 will help, perhaps. Only V-moda can include that now. if not, customers like myself feel so silly hanging on to it. I tried OTG too, no results.

Yes, i read the list you posted too, look like S4 has alot of "non-standard" config included.

post #742 of 1292
Another question for owners pairing with iPod. Are you using stock Line out cable or swapping for copper/silver ones? Or anyone have any experience with different cables and sound.
Thanks.
post #743 of 1292

This is a huge miss for V-MODA.  Hopefully they can get it to work with a software fix.  This is why Apple crushes Android with respect to usability.  Samsung needs to make themselves accountable for model-to-model changes.  They can't just change entire aspects of the phone on a whim.  They have some responsibility to their current customers here...

post #744 of 1292
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

This is a huge miss for V-MODA.  Hopefully they can get it to work with a software fix.  This is why Apple crushes Android with respect to usability.  Samsung needs to make themselves accountable for model-to-model changes.  They can't just change entire aspects of the phone on a whim.  They have some responsibility to their current customers here...

I definitely agree with that one, I hate the model to model irregularities with Android. It's a blessing when it's for the better, but a curse more often than not.

 

Well, then again, with apple you're only taking the line-out and converting to 1/8'' analogue, whereas with Samsung you're trying to take digital out. The idea is slightly different. As for apple in that regard, is there even a way to do that with the iPhone 5 anymore or are outboard DACs the only way? And for the longest time there was only the Wadia DAC for apple anyway. Tangent yes, but you can't look at this identically because it's not. 

 

As for not supporting the S4, poor Val. He'd have for sure been playing on the hope that they were gonna be the same as the S3 USB output wise. Now he's got a problem to solve because a lot of consumers would have bought it for it's support with current/up-and-coming-technology, not last year's soon to be outdated stuff(like my S3). I wonder where this puts him now? Uncertain iPhone 6 support and no Galaxy S4 support...

post #745 of 1292
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Originally Posted by Benny-x View Post

Well, then again, with apple you're only taking the line-out and converting to 1/8'' analogue, whereas with Samsung you're trying to take digital out. The idea is slightly different. As for apple in that regard, is there even a way to do that with the iPhone 5 anymore or are outboard DACs the only way? And for the longest time there was only the Wadia DAC for apple anyway. Tangent yes, but you can't look at this identically because it's not. 

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.  Apple uses direct digital out with the Verza.  Apple tends to change these things far less often.  Granted, they did just change connectors, but how long was that 30-pin active?  Also, I would be pretty surprised to see the lightning connector change within the next 4 years.  Not trying to start the Apple/Android argument.  This just happens to illustrate a major drawback I see with Android phones.  

post #746 of 1292
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.  Apple uses direct digital out with the Verza.  Apple tends to change these things far less often.  Granted, they did just change connectors, but how long was that 30-pin active?  Also, I would be pretty surprised to see the lightning connector change within the next 4 years.  Not trying to start the Apple/Android argument.  This just happens to illustrate a major drawback I see with Android phones.  


I have been a big fan of Samsung and own quite a few Samsung products (washer, dryer, refrigerator and every television in my house).  However, I see this move as not just a slap in the face of consumers, but even moreso to licensees like V-Moda/Venturecraft, Centrance, Fostex, Sony, etc. where Samsung is fully aware that significant R&D is invested in these and other enhanced accessories that is now lost for anyone who wanted an enhanced audio experience.  This move will also stifle future investment in their products.  Sadly, the debate over which products are superior becomes a non-issue without compatibility. 

 

I would not have wanted to be in the Milan office when Val was informed that Samsung altered the S4 which renders Verza incompatible...........ouch!

post #747 of 1292

It sounds like its across the board with all usb headphone amps/dacs.  Hopefully a simple update will fix the issue.  I doubt it's done on purpose since Samsung isn't in the amp/dac business.

post #748 of 1292

I am a fan of Samsung as well.  I too doubt it was done on purpose.  What irritates me is that Samsung has been in this business long enough to know better.  So either they're ignorant of the accessory business, or arrogant enough to think companies will continue to support their products because they're so large.  Either way, it's not a good move on their part.  Google really needs to reign in the audio side of their OS though as well.  Without some standardization here with regard to USB audio and audio streaming, Apple will continue to command the lion's share of audio accessory business.  This means that the bulk of customers looking for audio streaming capabilities will largely remain Apple customers.     

post #749 of 1292
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

I am a fan of Samsung as well.  I too doubt it was done on purpose.  What irritates me is that Samsung has been in this business long enough to know better.  So either they're ignorant of the accessory business, or arrogant enough to think companies will continue to support their products because they're so large.  Either way, it's not a good move on their part.  Google really needs to reign in the audio side of their OS though as well.  Without some standardization here with regard to USB audio and audio streaming, Apple will continue to command the lion's share of audio accessory business.  This means that the bulk of customers looking for audio streaming capabilities will largely remain Apple customers.     

If a manufacturer is licenced to manufacture accessories for the S3, does that mean it is automatically licenced for S4?

likewise to Apple, from a 30pin to lightning, what advantage are there for the consumer? to me, it is none. In fact, i need to buy more cables.

BUt having said that, changing 30 pin to lightning will make older accessories obsolete automatically, and apply for another OEM licence from Apple. Likewise to Samsung for changing the USB config.

Agreed, i overlook this when i bought the Verza thinking it will work fine with the S4. Google "S4 and Verza", you will find tons of websites telling you that S4 and Verza are in the future thinking they will mate and sing a song.....sigh, it means all are wrong. We took for granted.

Therefore before Note 3 is out, (i hope or i think so again...??again??) V moda better look into it before plunging into another black hole leading us to no where.

post #750 of 1292
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Originally Posted by Benny-x View Post

Well, then again, with apple you're only taking the line-out and converting to 1/8'' analogue, whereas with Samsung you're trying to take digital out. The idea is slightly different. As for apple in that regard, is there even a way to do that with the iPhone 5 anymore or are outboard DACs the only way?

 

As for not supporting the S4, poor Val. He'd have for sure been playing on the hope that they were gonna be the same as the S3 USB output wise. Now he's got a problem to solve because a lot of consumers would have bought it for it's support with current/up-and-coming-technology, not last year's soon to be outdated stuff(like my S3). I wonder where this puts him now? Uncertain iPhone 6 support and no Galaxy S4 support...

 

Lightning is pure digital as far as I know. An external component can request a digital signal and convert that to analog -- as done by the Lightning-30pin adapter: it contains a DAC to provide the analog lineout signal to the respective pins on the 30pin output.

 

I would not consider iPhone 6 (or whatever it might be called) support uncertain, the Lightning connector will stay (and work) the same as with the current generation.

The S4 compatibility to me looks more like a software glitch than intention on Samsungs side. I have no interest in their products so I did not research the change in detail but on the surface it sounds like it could be fixed in software. That is... if they want to.

 

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Originally Posted by laimk View Post

If a manufacturer is licenced to manufacture accessories for the S3, does that mean it is automatically licenced for S4?

likewise to Apple, from a 30pin to lightning, what advantage are there for the consumer? to me, it is none. In fact, i need to buy more cables.

BUt having said that, changing 30 pin to lightning will make older accessories obsolete automatically, and apply for another OEM licence from Apple. Likewise to Samsung for changing the USB config.

 

To me its one thing to change the design and specification of a connector but a whole different thing to silently change the software configuration of something intended to be a standard USB port.

Advantages of the lightning port are indirect for most users I'd guess: flatter devices, more flexible interfaces due to moving the required chips into the adapters/cables which are easier to replace than the device itself.

 

I think its a bold move for V-Moda (or any other manufacturer) to support both plattforms in one device (which already led to including two DACs and two different interfaces). Undocumented differences between generations of products must be quite a drama -- especially if you need to convince someone else to make changes.

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