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post #286 of 1292
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Originally Posted by MRiNiCK View Post

going to my local store to demo these bad boys out

What local store has the VERZA out to demo? Or do you have a VERZA and you're going to try them with different headphones?

 

(Completely excited to hear VERZA with my M-100)

post #287 of 1292
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I received mine yesterday. I honestly am having a hard time hearing the difference using the m100s and the headphone out on my iphone 5 aside from being able to go louder which wasn't really a problem in the first place.

Yep in my experience amping makes virtually no difference with the M100s. But then the are lots of people here who hear all kinds of magical things that I think sounds the same, so it's either me who has crappy hearing, them who are imagining it, or both!
post #288 of 1292
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Yep in my experience amping makes virtually no difference with the M100s. But then the are lots of people here who hear all kinds of magical things that I think sounds the same, so it's either me who has crappy hearing, them who are imagining it, or both!

I imagine that you have crappy hearing. duggehsmile.png

 

I currently double amp from my phone with a cMoy and the differences are there, if only slightly, and the bass boost switch makes a very noticeable difference when turned on. While I agree that it could be psychological to an extent, there are still electrical circuits and opamps affecting the signal being sent to the headphone.

I can hear an immediate difference between listening through my laptop, Galaxy Note, and Infuse 4G just as most of us can tell a difference between 192kps mp3s and 320kps mp3s. I can't imagine that a VERZA would have no noticeable difference between a stock iPhone 5 running a different DAC. Maybe a negligible difference is the wording you're looking for?

post #289 of 1292
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Originally Posted by SpiderNhan View Post

What local store has the VERZA out to demo? Or do you have a VERZA and you're going to try them with different headphones?

(Completely excited to hear VERZA with my M-100)

AC Gears in 8th by NYU
post #290 of 1292
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Originally Posted by kessomatt View Post

I received mine yesterday. I honestly am having a hard time hearing the difference using the m100s and the headphone out on my iphone 5 aside from being able to go louder which wasn't really a problem in the first place.

Yep in my experience amping makes virtually no difference with the M100s. But then the are lots of people here who hear all kinds of magical things that I think sounds the same, so it's either me who has crappy hearing, them who are imagining it, or both!

The purpose of an amp is to provide the headphone with more driving power if the "unamped" version doesn't. An amp's added colouration ultimately affects the sound of the headphone in the process, and it's pretty difficult to not colour the sound.

 

That being said, I do find that having a "transparent" amp increases the instrument separation, widens the soundstage, and just makes instruments more crisp and clearer compared to just straight out of my MacBooks or iDevices for the M-100. Unless the amp was coloured on purpose, or a lack of a high damping factor if you're using a [non-hybrid] tube amplifier, there should not be a HUGE difference in sound.

 

The M-100 was tuned alongside with the VERZA, *cough good synergy cough*, so I'm kind of surprised to read about DrSheep's impressions.

 

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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 

7 o'clock is off.

8 o'clock is on (30 degrees used just for the on click).

5 o'clock is max vol.

 

So useable volume is 8 o'clock -> 5 o'clock (i.e. 270 degrees of 0-100% volume)

30% is 81 degrees of useable volume (or 2.7 o'clock from 8 o'clock position = 10.7 o'clock).

 

Yep, somewhere between 10 & 11 o'clock :D.

 

Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 Tons of assumptions needed too! e.g. Rate of volume is linear, blah, blah.

Aren't most audio volume pots logarithmic? So you'd need like the cosine of 81 degrees times the hypotenuse of something or other, divided by the cube root of pi.

Yes most audio volume potentiometers are logarithmic. I was working on a school project and I asked some people in the D.I.Y. threads about it. They all said yes, something like an Alps RK097 volume potentiometer operates on a log scale as opposed to the linear one I was using.

post #291 of 1292
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The purpose of an amp is to provide the headphone with more driving power if the "unamped" version doesn't. An amp's added colouration ultimately affects the sound of the headphone in the process, and it's pretty difficult to not colour the sound.

That being said, I do find that having a "transparent" amp increases the instrument separation, widens the soundstage, and just makes instruments more crisp and clearer compared to just straight out of my MacBooks or iDevices for the M-100. Unless the amp was coloured on purpose, or a lack of a high damping factor if you're using a [non-hybrid] tube amplifier, there should not be a HUGE difference in sound.

The M-100 was tuned alongside with the VERZA, *cough good synergy cough*, so I'm kind of surprised to read about DrSheep's impressions.

Yes most audio volume potentiometers are logarithmic. I was working on a school project and I asked some people in the D.I.Y. threads about it. They all said yes, something like an Alps RK097 volume potentiometer operates on a log scale as opposed to the linear one I was using.

I was doing a lot of a/b last night and I could not hear much of a difference if anything. It all started sound like noise so I had to stop. Going to do some more testing tonight but I may just end up returning it.
post #292 of 1292
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The purpose of an amp is to provide the headphone with more driving power if the "unamped" version doesn't. An amp's added colouration ultimately affects the sound of the headphone in the process, and it's pretty difficult to not colour the sound.

That being said, I do find that having a "transparent" amp increases the instrument separation, widens the soundstage, and just makes instruments more crisp and clearer compared to just straight out of my MacBooks or iDevices for the M-100. Unless the amp was coloured on purpose, or a lack of a high damping factor if you're using a [non-hybrid] tube amplifier, there should not be a HUGE difference in sound.

The M-100 was tuned alongside with the VERZA, *cough good synergy cough*, so I'm kind of surprised to read about DrSheep's impressions.

Yes most audio volume potentiometers are logarithmic. I was working on a school project and I asked some people in the D.I.Y. threads about it. They all said yes, something like an Alps RK097 volume potentiometer operates on a log scale as opposed to the linear one I was using.

I was doing a lot of a/b last night and I could not hear much of a difference if anything. It all started sound like noise so I had to stop. Going to do some more testing tonight but I may just end up returning it.

Interesting. Are you connecting things correctly? The whole setup for the VERZA is just plain confusing to me, and there are ~3+ pages in this thread discussing such things. >_<

 

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^this

post #293 of 1292
Yes. It was confusing at first but I do have it connected properly. The bass boost was good for some genres.
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Interesting. Are you connecting things correctly? The whole setup for the VERZA is just plain confusing to me, and there are ~3+ pages in this thread discussing such things. >_<<br />
^this
post #294 of 1292
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Originally Posted by MRiNiCK View Post

AC Gears in 8th by NYU

So how was it? They had a floor unit?
post #295 of 1292
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Originally Posted by kessomatt View Post

Yes. It was confusing at first but I do have it connected properly. The bass boost was good for some genres.

I am doing more a/b testing and still having a hard time telling the difference. I am using a lot of metal. Anyone recommend a good song to test with?
post #296 of 1292
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I am doing more a/b testing and still having a hard time telling the difference. I am using a lot of metal. Anyone recommend a good song to test with?


Evanescence?  Linkin Park?


Edited by Craigster75 - 3/20/13 at 6:45pm
post #297 of 1292

It depends on the original output but the iPhone has a pretty damn good headphone out anyway. Especially to power the M-100's.

The amp will make some difference to the sound though.

 

For example, I have the PA2V2 and I'm double amping from my S3, to the amp and to the M-100's. I can tell the difference between the two and not simply from volume.

 

If I have it amped, even if I try to hide the amp from view, I cannot sense anymore that the sound is coming directly from the S3. It sounds different.

If I just run it through the S3, I can tell the sound output is coming from the phone.

It doesn't seem phycological.

post #298 of 1292
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Originally Posted by musical-kage View Post

It depends on the original output but the iPhone has a pretty damn good headphone out anyway. Especially to power the M-100's.
The amp will make some difference to the sound though.

For example, I have the PA2V2 and I'm double amping from my S3, to the amp and to the M-100's. I can tell the difference between the two and not simply from volume.

If I have it amped, even if I try to hide the amp from view, I cannot sense anymore that the sound is coming directly from the S3. It sounds different.
If I just run it through the S3, I can tell the sound output is coming from the phone.
It doesn't seem phycological.

Yeah I agree with the iPhone having a great output. The dac always gets a good review for the most part on phone arena. I think that's why. I seriously would not be able to tell a difference in a blind test. I've pretty much come to the conclusion the vamp is not needed on my current iphone. The bass boost is nice but nothing my zo1 can't do.

Now if I had a g3 I would definitely be keeping it just because the us versions have an inferior dac. I even think the s4 us versions will get a different dac because they are using the snapdragons again from what I read.
post #299 of 1292
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Originally Posted by MRiNiCK View Post

AC Gears in 8th by NYU
Thanks for that info. I'm headed into the city tomorrow and will stop by.
post #300 of 1292
Snapdragon S4 SGS3 (and One X) had a pretty nice DAC and headphone stage, it measured much better than the Euro version of the One X (Tegra 3)... The Wolfson DAC Samsung uses on their own SoC are nice but they're not the only decent DAC inside mobile devices, from what I've seen they're just more popular with software developers (voodoo mod etc.).
Edited by Impulse - 3/20/13 at 9:02pm
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