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post #16 of 36
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Yea I wouldn't ever describe the HD650 as a "bassy" open headphone. There are many other open or semi-open headphones that have stronger bass and more extension. Like I said, they are simply a warm sound headphone, and IMO the strength of the HD 650 is its versatile nature with almost anything you throw at it. There are plenty of better "bassy" options such as DT 990, HE-400, and Pro 2900.

 

I would question the ears of those that think the HD650 has more bass than the DT990. To my ears, they lacked the extension and punch of the DT990. Pro and cons to both, but as far as bass goes DT990 is pretty darn good.

 

Thanks, I would be interested to see how the bass of the HD650 compares to the bass of the DT880, which apparently use similar drivers to the DT990, and are 'semi-open' as opposed to 'fully open' like the DT990, so they might have potential to have good bass?

post #17 of 36
The 880's have more impact and deep bass than the 650's, which have more of a midbass emphasis in comparison. That said, the 650's are still the better all around phone to my ears because they are more coherent (the separation between voices never sounds artificial or disjointed) and they have better more accurate timbre. I think the latter is largely the result of the slight hump in the 880s fr curve around 3.5khz, which impacts overtones as well as some high fundamental frequencies (i.e. high notes on violins, pipe organ, piccolo, etc)

For the record, I have owned both of these phones for years (in addition to hd800s) and continue to enjoy both on a daily basis in my office and bedside rigs. Neither is perfect, but both are very good.
Edited by skeptic - 3/9/13 at 2:23pm
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post #19 of 36
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The 880's have more impact and deep bass than the 650's, which have more of a midbass emphasis in comparison. That said, the 650's are still the better all around phone to my ears because they are more coherent (the separation between voices never sounds artificial or disjointed) and they have better more accurate timbre. I think the latter is largely the result of the slight hump in the 880s fr curve around 3.5khz, which impacts overtones as well as some high fundamental frequencies (i.e. high notes on violins, pipe organ, piccolo, etc)

For the record, I have owned both of these phones for years (in addition to hd800s) and continue to enjoy both on a daily basis in my office and bedside rigs. Neither is perfect, but both are very good.

 

Cheers, so you think the DT880 overall have more bass impact in general, but the HD650 has more mid-bass 'bloom'? On what tracks might this be apparent?

 

Do you think the rich lower-mids of the HD650 could also contribute to the perception of it having more mid-bass?

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The 880's have more impact and deep bass than the 650's, which have more of a midbass emphasis in comparison. That said, the 650's are still the better all around phone to my ears because they are more coherent (the separation between voices never sounds artificial or disjointed) and they have better more accurate timbre. I think the latter is largely the result of the slight hump in the 880s fr curve around 3.5khz, which impacts overtones as well as some high fundamental frequencies (i.e. high notes on violins, pipe organ, piccolo, etc)
 

 

 

Without posting a lot of graphs here, I must say I've never seen one that shows a hump in the DT880's FR at 3.5khz. From 5 to 8khz, yes, but lower than 5 it's extremely controlled and even, which indeed is the way I hear it.

 

Incidentally, I owned the 650 for about 4 years and currently own the DT880 Pro. I prefer the latter for the music I listen to--classical/orchestral.  

post #21 of 36
Interesting. Headroom appears to have changed its published fr curve on the 880 (250 ohm). I dug back through my old posts to make sure I wasn't imagining things. Here's the graph my statement was based on - which also seems consistent with how I hear my 880's and 650's:


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post #22 of 36
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The headphone.com graphs show that the HD650 has almost identical quantity of bass to the DT990 600ohm edition?

 

Is that true in 'real life'?

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The headphone.com graphs show that the HD650 has almost identical quantity of bass to the DT990 600ohm edition?

 

Is that true in 'real life'?

 

Not even close.

 

There are so many graphs unfortunately that don't even come close to representing what some of these headphones actually sound like.

 

Very best,

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The headphone.com graphs show that the HD650 has almost identical quantity of bass to the DT990 600ohm edition?

 

Is that true in 'real life'?

 

+1

 

i've owned both headphones at the same time as well as a few others.

 

the DT 990 has more bass than the HD 650. the HD 650 comes close in midbass, it might seem stronger at times due to the smoother highs, but the dt 990 still is bassier. 

 

 

and back to the OPs question about the hd 650, they cannot do the bass like a closed headphone, with eq, they come close, but still, they won't. they're bassy compared to other audiophile headphones in their price range (k701, dt 880, shure series, hd 600, grado 225/325/rs2) but they're definitely not a basshead headphone.

 

i was pretty happy with the hd 650s bass performance though, its quite satisfying, though its not gonna fill your head with bass like a denon or ultrasone, no matter how much u eq it.

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+1

 

i've owned both headphones at the same time as well as a few others.

 

the DT 990 has more bass than the HD 650. the HD 650 comes close in midbass, it might seem stronger at times due to the smoother highs, but the dt 990 still is bassier. 

 

 

and back to the OPs question about the hd 650, they cannot do the bass like a closed headphone, with eq, they come close, but still, they won't. they're bassy compared to other audiophile headphones in their price range (k701, dt 880, shure series, hd 600, grado 225/325/rs2) but they're definitely not a basshead headphone.

 

i was pretty happy with the hd 650s bass performance though, its quite satisfying, though its not gonna fill your head with bass like a denon or ultrasone, no matter how much u eq it.

 

Thanks. Actually, in the breif time I A/B'd the HD650 with the DT880 (which was the 2005 edition and the 250ohm model) - I found the bass on the HD650 and the DT880 to be near enough identical. The differences were in the more forward midrange in the HD650, and the more forward highs in the DT880. Bass, however, was near enough identical. Am I alone in finding this?

post #27 of 36
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Something I've noticed is that when listening to a genre like progressive metal with the HD650's (even well-recorded progressive metal like Opeth's Ghost Reveries), it can be difficult to hear the bass guitar when the full band is playing. Particularly the guitars tend to drown out the bass guitar.

 

If the HD650's are said to emphasize the mid-bass, surely this should not be the case - surely the bass guitar should even sound more dominant than the guitars, or at least be easily audible when the guitars are playing full whack?

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Something I've noticed is that when listening to a genre like progressive metal with the HD650's (even well-recorded progressive metal like Opeth's Ghost Reveries), it can be difficult to hear the bass guitar when the full band is playing. Particularly the guitars tend to drown out the bass guitar.

 

If the HD650's are said to emphasize the mid-bass, surely this should not be the case - surely the bass guitar should even sound more dominant than the guitars, or at least be easily audible when the guitars are playing full whack?


Recording quality

post #29 of 36
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hey, yeah, but the thing is that Opeth album has good recording quality, and yet you still really have to strain to hear the bass guitar when the full band is going wearing the HD650's...

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

 

+1

 

i've owned both headphones at the same time as well as a few others.

 

the DT 990 has more bass than the HD 650. the HD 650 comes close in midbass, it might seem stronger at times due to the smoother highs, but the dt 990 still is bassier. 

 

 

and back to the OPs question about the hd 650, they cannot do the bass like a closed headphone, with eq, they come close, but still, they won't. they're bassy compared to other audiophile headphones in their price range (k701, dt 880, shure series, hd 600, grado 225/325/rs2) but they're definitely not a basshead headphone.

 

i was pretty happy with the hd 650s bass performance though, its quite satisfying, though its not gonna fill your head with bass like a denon or ultrasone, no matter how much u eq it.

 

Thanks. Actually, in the breif time I A/B'd the HD650 with the DT880 (which was the 2005 edition and the 250ohm model) - I found the bass on the HD650 and the DT880 to be near enough identical. The differences were in the more forward midrange in the HD650, and the more forward highs in the DT880. Bass, however, was near enough identical. Am I alone in finding this?


Are you sure with your findings? What source, tracks, amp are you using? 650 has better and meatier bass, longer decay, and the soundsig is like day and night on those 2.
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