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post #76 of 353
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Originally Posted by Gbemiro View Post

I wouldn`t say Beats to iDevices. However, Beats to Macbooks seems like a good comparison to me.

especially the mac pros.

post #77 of 353
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Originally Posted by streetdragon View Post

especially the mac pros.

Macs are actually pretty good aside from the old Mac pro. The pricing for macbookpro's especially retina version, is very competitive compared to windows pc counterparts (similar price). For example, for $1499 you get the base rMBP with ivy bride i5, 8gb ram, better screen than any other competitor, ssd, plus mbp's hold their value better than competing computers.

post #78 of 353
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Originally Posted by L0SLobos View Post

Macs are actually pretty good aside from the old Mac pro. The pricing for macbookpro's especially retina version, is very competitive compared to windows pc counterparts (similar price). For example, for $1499 you get the base rMBP with ivy bride i5, 8gb ram, better screen than any other competitor, ssd, plus mbp's hold their value better than competing computers.

I have build a similar if not same spec desktop for 25% the price of the mac pro.
For laptops however i do not know much about it.

post #79 of 353
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Originally Posted by streetdragon View Post

I have build a similar if not same spec desktop for 25% the price of the mac pro.

Tell us the price and specs of your machine compared to the MP that costs 3 times more.
post #80 of 353
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Originally Posted by applebook View Post

Tell us the price and specs of your machine compared to the MP that costs 3 times more.
Oh come off it. Its well known that Mac desktops are significantly higher priced per spec than PCs. They have a monopoly on their market and they take advantage of it.
Its also well known by anyone with the slightest knowledge of PC hardware that it is far cheaper to build it yourself rather than buy an assembled computer of the same spec, often half the price.
A hand built PC can easily cost 1/4 of a Mac pro of the same spec
post #81 of 353
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Originally Posted by applebook View Post


Tell us the price and specs of your machine compared to the MP that costs 3 times more.

built com - MYR 2050 (~640USD)
8GB DDR3 ram
Intel Core I5 processor
ATI Radeon HD6850
1TB Internal Storage

Macpro - MYR 8000(2499 USD)
6GB DDR3 ram
Intel Xeon processor
ATI Radeon HD5770
512GB Internal storage

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post #83 of 353

The custom builder for Mac pros is just funny.

 

Want to upgrade from 6GB of RAM to 32GB? $975 seems fair!

 

$750 for a 512GB solid state drive is a good price too right?

post #84 of 353
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Originally Posted by chewy4 View Post

The custom builder for Mac pros is just funny.

 

Want to upgrade from 6GB of RAM to 32GB? $975 seems fair!

 

$750 for a 512GB solid state drive is a good price too right?

The best you can get out there.biggrin.gif

post #85 of 353

As a basshead, I wouldn't mind getting the Beats Studios if they were priced no higher than $100. They offer loads of bass.. at a price premium higher than that of its contemporaries.

 

Besides, the Beats Mixr and Beats Pro are actually good headphones, just somewhat overpriced.

 

I don't hate the Beats, I just don't like how everyone thinks they are the best on the market. You've really got to hand it to the marketing folks at Monster for that one. 

post #86 of 353

Speaking of the similarity between Macs and Beats, has anyone else noticed that next no one has ever wanted a 300ppi screen until Apple told them that they do?


Similarly with Beats, no one thought they'd want noise cancelling and good looks (subjective) and happily used those ibuds, until the Beats came along, nowadays every recommendation thread outside of Head-Fi will get posts with "noise cancellation" and "cool looking" as a part of the requirements.

 

Both of those features are about as useful as a pair of $2000 underwear designed to feel like heaven if you ask me. Sure it is nice, but what do I need it for?

post #87 of 353
Ok, just wanting to help kindle the fire here... I'm a basshead, and I'm always looking for more bass from all kinds of headphones. Over the past few months, I've been modding a pair of fake Beats Studio that I purchased for 30 dollars. My initial intent was to make a pair of headphones to surpass the real Studios not only in bass, but also in sound quality. All for less than a quarter of the cost of the real thing. And so, it began. It really wasn't all too difficult. New pads, new cable, and some donor XB500 drivers. That's all it took. So far, I've had 2 days of side by side testing, and a blind test with one of my good friends. In all tests conducted, my modded fakes turned out on top. Total cost, 70 bucks. Success.

I'm not saying that Beats are terrible, I'm just saying that I would never, ever, pay more than what I spent on my project for the real deal. Ever. No, I don't believe the hype. No, celebrity endorsements don't sway me to purchase any particular set of headphones. Yes, I do own a pair of Quincy Jones AKG Q701s, and I bought them because they simply are the best for me, for the money. Just making a point, not ALL celebrity endorsements are bad. smily_headphones1.gif

All of this being said, this is just my opinion, with a couple of tested facts thrown in. Take it how you want to. -BiggBenn
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Originally Posted by lebomb View Post

Wow......some good and some interesting responses.  First of all I'm not a kid.......over 40 here.  Secondly, I stated that I would not buy Beats period.  They do not sound as good as other headphones for the price.  That being said, why bash Beats as a brand for doing the same thing many other companies do.  Hell, look at Bose for example.  Look at their marketing, and how successful that company has been.  Most know their product is overpriced and inferior.  People should not be spoon fed, this is an open market and free enterprise world.......for everyone to make as much money as they want....legally of course.  If someone is skeptical or doesn't know much about a product, its up to them to do the research.  If they don't want to do that and just go ahead and buy a product based on marketing.....oh well.  Personally I dont care.  I know many, many people, family included that have Beats.  I have told them other headphones are cheaper and sound just as good.  But they wanted Beats anyhow.  Honestly, I think Dr. Dre and his Beats headphones just found a great niche and took advantage of it.  How can you blame him or his company for all this?  Just sayin. 

 

Thanks for all the honest responses. 

lol. What OP is saying is true (except Beats advertising does flat out lie about some things), but honestly, a good business model is all about building up your brand name. Like Nike has been accused of making their products in sweatshops and from my personal experience, Nike shoes don't really last a year under hardcore use. Nike shoes don't really make you faster or stronger. However, Nike had great advertising and they were the first company to convince consumers that they needed $100+ sports shoes.

 

While people here at these forums say that Bose & Beats are overpriced and have inferior sound quality, if you ask the average person on the street what good headphone brands were and they would responded Beats/Bose (that's a fact, don't flame me). This is due to the highly successful advertising campaign by those companies. Only a select few people would even know about the brands that are highly-regarded here.

 

I think it is actually the failure of the other companies to bring awareness of their products out to the average consumer. It seems like a lot of those companies specifically cater to the hard-core audiophile enthusiasts niche rather than trying to expand their brand out to the general public/average consumer. Marketing is a basic concept in business. I feel like it is a lot more embarrassing that high-end audio gear can get so easily overshadowed by something like Beats (that should have very inferior sonic quality) and cannot respond with their own advertising or make more appealing stylistic upgrades to their headphones.

 

What's the point of manufacturing great sound-to-dollar value headphones if no one knows about it and if it is impossible to find at your local electronics store. When I was headphone shopping, I went to a ton of different electronics stores and seriously, they all had a premium section for the Beats and I couldn't find nice headphones from other brands that I wanted.

 

I would say don't waste your time hating the Beats, hate your favorite brand for not being able to advertise as well. Imagine a world where AKG or Denon or Audio Technica dominated the headphones marketshare. That would be pretty sweet :)


Edited by money4me247 - 3/3/13 at 1:16pm
post #89 of 353
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Originally Posted by biggbenn74 View Post

Just making a point, not ALL celebrity endorsements are bad. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Wouldn't the point be not all celebrities endorse bad products?  :P

post #90 of 353
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Originally Posted by dvw View Post

I just looked up some data. The top 5 headphones manufacturers are Monsters, Beats, Sony, Bose and Sennheiser. The "high end" market is really a "high priced" market. The traditional high end market is targeting older people with disposable income. Today's market is targeting the young hip pop generation. There is a cool factor involved. Every single phone is endorsed by celebrity. Even Simon Cowell (Sony X) and Bob Marley had headphone deals.This is almost like the shoe business. You have Michael Jordon shoes and Shaq shoes and they're all sold for a mint. Beat started their business in 2008 and is number one now. Their business model is not about sound quality but "coolness". I think Beat will be a case study for many years to come. Just like celebrity shoes, are celebrity phones better. Probably not, just more expensive.

 

The way I see it is that it's a waste of time to bash Beat. People did not buy Beat for the sound quality they bought it for looks. For $200-$300, they think they're getting quality. But how much do average people know about quality. I see people buying fake/homage Beat on Ebay for big bucks.

 

This is actually troubling. With high margin (Beat are cheap to make) and high profit, everyone is now trying to copy Beat's business model. I'm afraid quality is going to go down and price is going to go up.

 

Here's a partial list of Marketwatch's (a business web site ) hottest selling headphone list last Christmas :

 

Sony X $300

Monster Diamond tear $300

Skullcandy customizable starts at $179

Bose Quiet Comfort $300

Sennheiser RS180 $300

House of Marley (is Bob still alive?) $160

Soul by Ludcris $200

Ferrari $350 to $500

 

Where is the HD580, my favorite phones? Why is Sennheiser not making them any more? In a couple of years we might not be able to get a decent cheap phone any more.

Omg... this is exactly what I mean. At the $300 price point, companies with actual experience in making headphones should be able to make a killing. Why aren't they making direct Beat competitors? Stylish portable closed headphones with better sound.

 

there seems to be so few of those headphones in that $300 price point (V-Moda M100, Sony MDR-1R, Sennheiser Momentum, AKG K551), and they are all under the radar (cannot walk into a Best Buy and grab them). It seems the majority of nicer sounding audio brands are either undercutting the price or going even higher. Undercutting the price is only semi-effective because then your market is with a lot of low end products that are even cheaper but better advertised. Going higher means that you are only catering to super hard-core audiophiles.

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