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post #136 of 353
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Originally Posted by Tsujigiri View Post

People hate Beats because in addition to offering an unacceptably poor product, they spread lies about them in their advertising and generally just rip off the consumer.

 

Making outrageous claims about a product is extremely common in advertising.  I mean hell, look at the viagra commercials with Bob (or whatever his name is, its been awhile), he's the happiest person I've ever seen on TV all because of that pill.  If you're going to hold Beats accountable for that, many products you enjoy should be held as well.

post #137 of 353
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Making outrageous claims about a product is extremely common in advertising.  I mean hell, look at the viagra commercials with Bob (or whatever his name is, its been awhile), he's the happiest person I've ever seen on TV all because of that pill.  If you're going to hold Beats accountable for that, many products you enjoy should be held as well.

 

...that was Cialis

 

I don't know why I still remember that.

post #138 of 353
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Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post

 

Making outrageous claims about a product is extremely common in advertising.  I mean hell, look at the viagra commercials with Bob (or whatever his name is, its been awhile), he's the happiest person I've ever seen on TV all because of that pill.  If you're going to hold Beats accountable for that, many products you enjoy should be held as well.

 

I do hold other companies accountable for that. But Beats is still one of the worst offenders I've seen. The stuff they write goes beyond embellishment, it's quite easy to prove conclusively that a lot of their claims are outright lies.

post #139 of 353

That's not really a good comparison. Maybe getting a boner is the one thing in Bob's life that makes him the happiest. The same way that maybe to Dr. Dre, beats headphones really are the greatest he's ever heard, in his opinion. However, for Beats to say something like "Beats are the headphones of choice in every major recording studio" is a flat-out lie prone to litigation. It's those kinds of phrases that make Beats, as a company, nothing but shady nonsense that no one should respect.

 

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Making outrageous claims about a product is extremely common in advertising.  I mean hell, look at the viagra commercials with Bob (or whatever his name is, its been awhile), he's the happiest person I've ever seen on TV all because of that pill.  If you're going to hold Beats accountable for that, many products you enjoy should be held as well.


Edited by soundstige - 3/10/13 at 6:14pm
post #140 of 353

Soundstige, the essence my example is that virtually all advertising done on a major scale uses outrageous claims.   I wish I had taken a picture, or at least remembered which headphone brand it was, because Beats are certainly not the only brand that makes claims that to me feel to be of the same level of ridiculousness.

post #141 of 353
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Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post

Soundstige, the essence my example is that virtually all advertising done on a major scale uses outrageous claims.   I wish I had taken a picture, or at least remembered which headphone brand it was, because Beats are certainly not the only brand that makes claims that to me feel to be of the same level of ridiculousness.

No, but it is the only brand that has reached this level of market saturation.
Fleecing your customers is wrong regardless, but a lot of companies never get big enough to gain our ire. Beats has.
post #142 of 353

/facepalm

 

So as long as the company fleeces their customers and never gets that big, who cares?  Is this what you're saying?  I'm not trying to troll here, I just find getting angry at only one or even a couple companies for practices many participate in to be ridiculous.  If you want truth in advertising, that's commendable!  We should hold all accountable, or none at all.

 

Sadly, I've just become too jaded to expect that kind of anything anymore.


Edited by Saoshyant - 3/10/13 at 7:56pm
post #143 of 353

So I was reading amazon reviews and decided to check Beats for a quick laugh

 

Lmao here's a quote from a 5 star review, Ladies and gentlemen, this is what Beats fans actually believe

 

The complaint that these headphones have a "muddy" sound is the same complaint that every pair of headphones that aren't over-the-ear headphones get when someone who is used to over-the-ear headphones reviews them. The Beats Solo (not HD) admittedly did suffer a bit moreso with this problem than most on-ear headphones, but the Beats Solo HD (RED) seem to have corrected this slight issue

 

Yes, size in headphones and color drastically determine sound quality, take it from a pleased beats user.


Edited by MellonCollie - 3/10/13 at 9:01pm
post #144 of 353

No, companies that fleece their customers won't find support here regardless of how many units they sell. But with Beats, we have to deal with trolls and overconfident novices stepping into the forums every week telling us that we're all just haters for not liking a headphone they've been led to believe is the final answer in "dope." The more people who open discussions about substandard headphones, the more Head-fier's will respond back with more calculated and logical reasons why those headphones are not up to snuff.

post #145 of 353
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Originally Posted by Tsujigiri View Post

No, companies that fleece their customers won't find support here regardless of how many units they sell. But with Beats, we have to deal with trolls and overconfident novices stepping into the forums every week telling us that we're all just haters for not liking a headphone they've been led to believe is the final answer in "dope." The more people who open discussions about substandard headphones, the more Head-fier's will respond back with more calculated and logical reasons why those headphones are not up to snuff.

And the more those idiots will stick their beats on and blare music and say you are an idiot for not liking them, essentially the adult version of fingers in ears and singing lalalalalalalalalalala at the top of their lungs because they cant accept they just threw a few hundred dollar bills away
post #146 of 353

Very true. Audio is so subjective and in your head that psychological cues like marketing have a huge effect on how we enjoy audio. People naturally assume a product is better when it is more expensive, which is why Beats doesn't allow discounts on their products. The problem is that new headphone users don't know what to look for in a headphone's quality, so rather than basing their opinions off things like detail and imaging, they're forming their entire opinions based on marketing, whereas marketing and presentation will not boost the opinion of a true audiophile as much.

post #147 of 353
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Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post

/facepalm

So as long as the company fleeces their customers and never gets that big, who cares?  Is this what you're saying?  I'm not trying to troll here, I just find getting angry at only one or even a couple companies for practices many participate in to be ridiculous.  If you want truth in advertising, that's commendable!  We should hold all accountable, or none at all.

Sadly, I've just become too jaded to expect that kind of anything anymore.

No, you're taking my argument to an illogical conclusion. I'm saying that because beats are so popular, they receive a lot of attention and thus a lot of detractors for their misleading advertising.
I was deeply upset for being misled on the processor specs of a Chinese tablet I bought. It wasn't half what it was claimed to be. But by way of comparison those lies don't get as much attention because they aren't mainstream. Also, how many people come on hear and complain that their imitation bacon bits don't have "real bacon taste". Some things aren't worth complaining about
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Originally Posted by Tsujigiri View Post

No, companies that fleece their customers won't find support here regardless of how many units they sell. But with Beats, we have to deal with trolls and overconfident novices stepping into the forums every week telling us that we're all just haters for not liking a headphone they've been led to believe is the final answer in "dope." The more people who open discussions about substandard headphones, the more Head-fier's will respond back with more calculated and logical reasons why those headphones are not up to snuff.
A much more coherent way of saying it than I could manage. Cheers!
Edited by thoughtcriminal - 3/10/13 at 9:24pm
post #148 of 353

Calculated and logical reasons would be wonderful...

 

Beats lovers trolling was brought up, to which I'd generally suggest ignore them.  Someone calls you a hater?  There is no reason to pay attention to them.  They are not worth your time, energy or heartache (just an expression, I don't mean that anyone feels anguish over it.)

 

 

No, I did not take your statement to an illogical conclusion thoughtcriminal.  What you said in essence was that even thought many companies fleece there customers, which you acknowledge is wrong, getting upset over it (earns your ire) only happens if a company gets big like Beats.  So you are saying that if a company fleeces customers, which is wrong, but is small, it doesn't earn your ire (get upset.)

 

"So as long as the company fleeces their customers and never gets that big, who cares?  Is this what you're saying?"

 

 

Anyways, I am in no respect disagreeing with you about Beats.  I find the lack of truth in advertising annoying and manipulative.  The main difference is much like you don't feel that advertising lies in bacon bits is not worth complaining about, I generally feel the same about all advertising.  I do not expect any sufficiently large group of people to make the right choices, but as I've mentioned before, I am jaded.  Lying in advertising is commonplace, and will most likely continue to be so for quite some time.

post #149 of 353

I think the reason that Beats are so big is because so many people haven't listened to quality headphones and when they finally listen to Beats they do hear parts of  the music that they've never heard before. Then they believe that Beats are the only quality headphones out there because they see every major music dj and athlete wearing them and think "hey LeBron James must know good sound, he can afford any headphone he wants and he buys Beats"

 

Another thing that makes people angry about Beats is that nowhere on the label is there any notifications about frequency response or impedance. It's illogical consumers and advertizing that make Beats a symbol of hate in Head-Fi

 

Here's a meme about the typical beats fan.

post #150 of 353
Because small companies that did that failed so they stayed small. Those who fleeced their way to become a big sucessful company don't deserve the sucess.
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