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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

My lesson is that "sampler" Dac/Amps just get in the way of what you should do from the start... just BUY the more expensive stuff because you'll want to upgrade anyways. They're not even gateway drugs. They're one hitters that you want to upgrade almost immediately after getting it because it doesn't satisfy the craving. ;) Example, my E10 lasted maybe a month and now I'm on the E17 but I've been looking at the HRTs because the E17 doesn't do it. :X I might just spring for the Meridian and scale back (hopefully *crosses fingers* haha yeah right.). 

 

I think I'll just go back to my modded ksc75's and clip zip and call it a day lol!

post #17 of 23

To the OP:  thanks for posting this!  I'm going through the same process now.  A week ago I was living in blissful ignorance about stuff like DAC's, tube amps etc.  Then I decided it was time to get a set of decent headphones that I could plug into my mac so I could enjoy my classical music more than through my LED-display speakers.  After some internet browsing to find a good set of headphones specifically for listening to classical music it started dawning on me that things weren't going to be quite as simple and cheap as purchasing the cans and plugging them into my mac's headphone jack.

 

Anyway, after some more research (good thing I only need 4 hours sleep/night) I settled on the BD DT 880 600 Ohm headphone and ordered a FiiO E17 / E 09K combo to go with them as those are generally recognised for their good bang/buck ratio.  Will be very curious to see what difference this setup will make when playing my FLAC-files (the gear is on its way as I type this).  Love the looks of some of those tube amps though....but at this point the only thing I'm certain of is that high quality audio gear makes for an excellent pyre for disposable income.  

 

I intend to play around for at least a couple of months with this setup before spending another euro.  Meanwhile I'll just continue reading up on gear;  this site has tons of info and some very knowledgeable posters (or so it appears) but one easily drowns in the technical discussions.

 

Cheers!

post #18 of 23

I think im getting a magni/modi combo

post #19 of 23
I'm new to all this HiFi stuff, but I'm willing to make it as my lifetime hobby. After reading this I'm afraid to buy a cheap low end budget dac & amp combination. For me, rather than continuously updating whenever I'm unsatisfied, I think I'm better off with a really good and high-end setup that probably gonna last for years. Because I'm a college student, I'm gonna feel really sorry for my wallet if I spent it wrongly.

I'm so interested on buying a pair of DT800 600ohm, but i guess I'll save it for later. Now I'm gonna let myself stuck in $100 headphone with a portable fiio (e17k/e17 still undecided) while saving money for something great like Valhalla / Lyr / Mjolnir / Little Dot MKII / i don't know. I still have a lot of things to spresearch on, something that can please my Electronic Music addiction...

Anyway thanks a lot for making this thread biggrin.gif
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by Eruve View Post

I'm new to all this HiFi stuff, but I'm willing to make it as my lifetime hobby. After reading this I'm afraid to buy a cheap low end budget dac & amp combination. For me, rather than continuously updating whenever I'm unsatisfied, I think I'm better off with a really good and high-end setup that probably gonna last for years. Because I'm a college student, I'm gonna feel really sorry for my wallet if I spent it wrongly.

I'm so interested on buying a pair of DT800 600ohm, but i guess I'll save it for later. Now I'm gonna let myself stuck in $100 headphone with a portable fiio (e17k/e17 still undecided) while saving money for something great like Valhalla / Lyr / Mjolnir / Little Dot MKII / i don't know. I still have a lot of things to spresearch on, something that can please my Electronic Music addiction...

Anyway thanks a lot for making this thread biggrin.gif

Look into the Takstar hi2050/Technical Pro HPT-990. They're very close the DT880 sound for a fraction of the price (I picked up my pair for $50) and can run from a E17 just fine. A great budget combo for seekers of a neutral sound sig. smily_headphones1.gif
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by Eruve View Post

I'm new to all this HiFi stuff, but I'm willing to make it as my lifetime hobby. After reading this I'm afraid to buy a cheap low end budget dac & amp combination. For me, rather than continuously updating whenever I'm unsatisfied, I think I'm better off with a really good and high-end setup that probably gonna last for years. Because I'm a college student, I'm gonna feel really sorry for my wallet if I spent it wrongly.

I'm so interested on buying a pair of DT800 600ohm, but i guess I'll save it for later. Now I'm gonna let myself stuck in $100 headphone with a portable fiio (e17k/e17 still undecided) while saving money for something great like Valhalla / Lyr / Mjolnir / Little Dot MKII / i don't know. I still have a lot of things to spresearch on, something that can please my Electronic Music addiction...

Anyway thanks a lot for making this thread biggrin.gif

 

I know where you're coming from, having been there myself recently.  And having been a poor student too (long time ago).  My advice:  take it easy, take your time to get to know the gear you have and  above all:  don't get carried away by this site and the opinions you read (including mine).  They're just opinions, some very well informed, many not.  

 

That being said, here's mine regarding the headphones you talk about.  I own the DT-880 in 600 Ohm and price/quality wise the DT-880's are certainly a very good deal, one of the best around at the price point imho.  But if I were you I wouldn't go with the 600 Ohm version.  

 

Theoretically they offer advantages as far as sound quality goes but they need a good, powerful amplifier to really shine.  The FiiO E17 by itself won't cut it, you'll have to pair it with the E09K if you want to stick with FiiO.  That's a total of about 250 USD right there.  Save some of that and get the 250 Ohm version instead.  Easier to drive and the sound quality is really virtually the same.  I'd even recommend the 32 Ohm version which can be plugged right into an iPod or similar but in case you later want to purchase a DAC/AMP you need to be careful and check that the amp's output impedance is not too high (difference between output impedance of the amp/headphone impedance should be a minimum of factor 8 or they won't play nice together).

 

For a DAC/amp combo:  opinions abound but price/quality wise my champion is the O2 + ODAC combo such as sold by JDS Labs in the US. If there's a deal with better specs around at even double the price I'd like for someone to point it out.  I own the FiiO E17/E09K, the Epiphany acoustics version of the O2+ODAC and a Violectric V200 + V800 (amp & dac).  The Violectric is best in absolute terms but that setup costs about 2600 USD new, value wise the O2/ODAC is much better.  I'm not a fan of tube amps and think that unless you have sufficient disposable income and are ready to start tube rolling and enjoy changing the sound signature that way, you're much better off with a solid state system.

 

But above all, take your time and don't accept anyone's word for gospel.

post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post

I know where you're coming from, having been there myself recently.  And having been a poor student too (long time ago).  My advice:  take it easy, take your time to get to know the gear you have and  above all:  don't get carried away by this site and the opinions you read (including mine).  They're just opinions, some very well informed, many not.  

That being said, here's mine regarding the headphones you talk about.  I own the DT-880 in 600 Ohm and price/quality wise the DT-880's are certainly a very good deal, one of the best around at the price point imho.  But if I were you I wouldn't go with the 600 Ohm version.  

Theoretically they offer advantages as far as sound quality goes but they need a good, powerful amplifier to really shine.  The FiiO E17 by itself won't cut it, you'll have to pair it with the E09K if you want to stick with FiiO.  That's a total of about 250 USD right there.  Save some of that and get the 250 Ohm version instead.  Easier to drive and the sound quality is really virtually the same.  I'd even recommend the 32 Ohm version which can be plugged right into an iPod or similar but in case you later want to purchase a DAC/AMP you need to be careful and check that the amp's output impedance is not too high (difference between output impedance of the amp/headphone impedance should be a minimum of factor 8 or they won't play nice together).

For a DAC/amp combo:  opinions abound but price/quality wise my champion is the O2 + ODAC combo such as sold by JDS Labs in the US. If there's a deal with better specs around at even double the price I'd like for someone to point it out.  I own the FiiO E17/E09K, the Epiphany acoustics version of the O2+ODAC and a Violectric V200 + V800 (amp & dac).  The Violectric is best in absolute terms but that setup costs about 2600 USD new, value wise the O2/ODAC is much better.  I'm not a fan of tube amps and think that unless you have sufficient disposable income and are ready to start tube rolling and enjoy changing the sound signature that way, you're much better off with a solid state system.

But above all, take your time and don't accept anyone's word for gospel.

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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

Look into the Takstar hi2050/Technical Pro HPT-990. They're very close the DT880 sound for a fraction of the price (I picked up my pair for $50) and can run from a E17 just fine. A great budget combo for seekers of a neutral sound sig. smily_headphones1.gif

Thank you so much for replying. I suppose I'm going to take the 250 ohms. I'm going to consider the JDS Lab combo since I hear nothing but good things about them.
Now I'm taking dt770 first though, currently I just need closed-back more.
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

Look into the Takstar hi2050/Technical Pro HPT-990. They're very close the DT880 sound for a fraction of the price (I picked up my pair for $50) and can run from a E17 just fine. A great budget combo for seekers of a neutral sound sig. smily_headphones1.gif

What i have right now is takstar ts-671 biggrin.gif
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