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post #9916 of 17162
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+1

And now i know i can read spanish.
post #9917 of 17162

Sorry :o , Chrome made ​​an unwelcome translation :biggrin:

 

Cheers.

post #9918 of 17162

in my comparison i used the modded 2.14b

 

is the regular 2.14 louder than the modded 2.14

post #9919 of 17162
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in my comparison i used the modded 2.14b

 

is the regular 2.14 louder than the modded 2.14

 

no. it's flipped regular 2.14b is softer

post #9920 of 17162
Since everyone is talking about the sound differences among different fw versions, I propose again that it would be really nice if we could access the settings that fiio is using to achieve said differences. This would put the x3 among even the most expensive dacs available today.

Another, easier, option would be for fiio to release multiple fw "flavors" of the same version, each with a different sound tuning.

What do you think?
Edited by gatucho - 5/8/14 at 5:24pm
post #9921 of 17162

Heh...  go the rockbox route and allow dual boot!  Although I can't imagine that'd be an easy implementation.  Honestly thought, I am having a hard time telling how much I love this FW change, mainly due to the fact that I'm wearing new headphones, and I am loving those...  so its quite impossible for me to both tell the difference between the two firmwares at this very moment, or grab a headphone I am used to to actually do a good comparison.  So yep, I'm utterly useless in commenting on the actual audible changes of this beta.  I do like the layout however.

post #9922 of 17162

All this talk about the sound of different firmwares... ;)

 

Some may know that I record the sound of any device with my soundcard. Afterwards the recorded result is compared to the original source file (in case of the X3 it´s the same file I played back with the FiiO). From there it´s easy to arrive at the conclusion that the X3 sounds much more neutral with FW 2.14b. More mids (they were badly lacking with pre-2.14b-FW), much better stage, in short, it´s much closer to the original sound of the file it played back.

 

And this is not a personal preference, this is a simple fact (yes, I do factor in that I hear differently from one minute to the next, therefore I also used a DBT). Judging from the perceived frequency response (not the actual response) the X3 is on the same quality level as the X5. The X5 has less bass than the reference file (responsible for its tight sound) while the X3 is closer to the original. Yet it features a seemingly slightly elevated presence area (from 2,500 to 5,500 Hz I´d guess). The result is that the X3 sounds more dynamic and more detailed than the reference file, sometimes even a tad harsh. The X5 sounds a bit too lush and pleasant but is closer to the reference in that regard.

 

In short, the X5 sounds more high-end-y (unless another firmware changes that), the X3 more aggressive (but not abrasive) and a tad dry.

 

If some of you guys think that the X3 sounds better with FW 2.10 or below, it probably means that you´re experiencing a synergy effect. The colourization of the 2.10-FW-equipped FiiO seems to work well with your particular kind of headphone. Using FW 2.14b however it´s more neutral and much closer to what it´s (IMO) supposed to play - the original sound of the music you´re playing. I really hope that FiiO will keep this signature with future firmware updates because since 2.14b has been released, it´s the first time since acquiring the X3 in October 2013 that I´m able to enjoy it.


Edited by Marlene - 5/8/14 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by Marlene View Post
 

All this talk about the sound of different firmwares... ;)

 

Some may know that I record the sound of any device with my soundcard. Afterwards the recorded result is compared to the original source file (in case of the X3 it´s the same file I played back with the FiiO). From there it´s easy to arrive at the conclusion that the X3 sounds much more neutral with FW 2.14b. More mids (they were badly lacking with pre-2.14b-FW), much better stage, in short, it´s much closer to the original sound of the file it played back.

 

And this is not a personal preference, this is a simple fact (yes, I do factor in that I hear differently from one minute to the next, therefore I also used a DBT). Judging from the perceived frequency response (not the actual response) the X3 is on the same quality level as the X5. The X5 has less bass than the reference file (responsible for its tight sound) while the X3 is closer to the original. Yet it features a seemingly slightly elevated presence area (from 2,500 to 5,500 Hz I´d guess). The result is that the X3 sounds more dynamic and more detailed than the reference file, sometimes even a tad harsh. The X5 sounds a bit too lush and pleasant but is closer to the reference in that regard.

 

In short, the X5 sounds more high-end-y (unless another firmware changes that), the X3 more aggressive (but not abrasive) and a tad dry.

 

If some of you guys think that the X3 sounds better with FW 2.10 or below, it probably means that you´re experiencing a synergy effect. The colourization of the 2.10-FW-equipped FiiO seems to work well with your particular kind of headphone. Using FW 2.14b however it´s more neutral and much closer to what it´s (IMO) supposed to play - the original sound of the music you´re playing. I really hope that FiiO will keep this signature with future firmware updates because since 2.14b has been released, it´s the first time since acquiring the X3 in October 2013 that I´m able to enjoy it.

I agree with this.

 

I find this analysis interesting because it mates with the point that I made earlier about how there is a peak that is bothering me, precisely in the range that you point out.  It's the combo of the resulting harshness and the aggressiveness of the overall presentation that is detracting from my personal experience with the X3.  Which sucks because it is clearly more detailed and clear than my Sansa Clip+, for instance. :(

post #9924 of 17162
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Originally Posted by gatucho View Post

Since everyone is talking about the sound differences among different fw versions, I propose again that it would be really nice if we could access the settings that fiio is using to achieve said differences. This would put the x3 among even the most expensive dacs available today.

Another, easier, option would be for fiio to release multiple fw "flavors" of the same version, each with a different sound tuning.

What do you think?

 

That would be a heavy work load for the programmers... Thought it is a pretty neat idea...

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Originally Posted by steelglam View Post
 

I agree with this.

 

I find this analysis interesting because it mates with the point that I made earlier about how there is a peak that is bothering me, precisely in the range that you point out.  It's the combo of the resulting harshness and the aggressiveness of the overall presentation that is detracting from my personal experience with the X3.  Which sucks because it is clearly more detailed and clear than my Sansa Clip+, for instance. :(

 

Good thought. The Sansa Clip+ has - in some regard - a similar tendency to sound a tiny bit strident. It´s of course less detailed, less dynamic and less balanced. And I won´t even start about the stage.

 

I don´t mind the vibrant presentation of the X3 as it all sounds very tasty but not quite harsh, it´s a sonic character applied to the music. Personally I think it´s a very convincing character. The sound we had before was much worse (in fact, I found that it wasn´t significantly better than the Clip+). Furthermore, I tend to use warm sounding cans so in my case the X3 creates the aforementioned synergy effect as well.


Edited by Marlene - 5/8/14 at 9:26pm
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Is there any way to scrobble fiio x3 plays to last.fm?

post #9927 of 17162
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Is there any way to scrobble fiio x3 plays to last.fm?

 

What do you mean?

post #9928 of 17162

neutral neutral neutral flat flat flat flat, well many people don't like neutral or flat response signatures

 

A warm, wide, deep sound signature is preferred by many regular users that don't spend so much time analysing curves and frequencies

 

the 2.14b sound signature is dull and lacks impact and warmth 

post #9929 of 17162

Does anybody know if the next version of the FW for the X3 will let you play all your music on your micro SD card from A to Z without having to select and album each time? Also, whenever I finish an album, it loses where it was out of all my music and I have to find what album/artist comes after it. It is a shame that it will only play one album and not move on to the next. It doesn't look like there is an option to do that yet in the play mode. I know the I could create a play list of all my tracks in the order I wanted but then it would take ages to get to the middle of it it.

 

Apart from that and the background noise issue with Mp3s, I am very pleased with the X3. At least I know that the Mp3 problem may be getting sorted out in the next FW.

post #9930 of 17162
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Originally Posted by leebSaMmY View Post

Is there any way to scrobble fiio x3 plays to last.fm?

Nope, sorry.
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What do you mean?

Last.fm is a service that registers what music you listen to, and how many times. "Scrobbling" is when you upload that data to them.

I used to use it back when I still had my iPhone as audio player.
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