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the fiio x3 cappable of creating playlist on the go?

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the fiio x3 cappable of creating playlist on the go?

Just one, the favorites playlist.

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Hope the new firmware update will enable us to save muptiple playlists
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Will this affect the soundstage quality of open back cans (sens hd558 to be specific)? Because I read some comments that the fiio x3's soundstage is narrower.
Sorry if you find my question stupid but I'm no audiophile and just newbie here but I'm interested in buying this dap. Thanks in advance for the replies!
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Originally Posted by Gabriel12 View Post

Will this affect the soundstage quality of open back cans (sens hd558 to be specific)? Because I read some comments that the fiio x3's soundstage is narrower.
Sorry if you find my question stupid but I'm no audiophile and just newbie here but I'm interested in buying this dap. Thanks in advance for the replies!


I apologize if my response was taking too long, I was just running a few tests using the FiiO X3 as a DAC into different amps to confirm the theory about soundstage.

Indeed the X3 has a smaller soundstage than the JDS Labs DAC. It indeed shrink the soundstage a bit, but it also has a slightly wider soundstage than the Sony Walkman E474 or an iPad. That's in correlation with using the Q701, unfortunately I can't speak for your HD558's (sorry!). However, the X3 has better instrument separation than both Sony Walkman E474 and iPad.


Try dropping a question about running your HD558's with a FiiO X3 here.

In my opinion, open back headphones are meant for home usage in which you have a desktop/tabletop setup for. Since they in general have a better DAC than a DAP that has to fit in battery life and compact form factor.


Edited by Nec3 - 4/12/14 at 11:04am
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Which output should I use to combine the x3 with an external amp like the e12? the line out or the headphone jack? which has best sound quality?

 

I ask because the gain of the line out is too high (for my low impedance cans), which forces me to use the e12 at low volume. Unfortunately, the e12 is terrible at low volume (all the gain goes in the left channel). Using the headphone jack as line out would allow me to reduce the gain on the x3 (via the volume control) before sending the signal to the e12. But then I would end up double amping the signal....

 

Any thoughts? 

 

Other option: selling the E12 and bying the JDS LABS C5, which offers fantastic channel balance at low volume, in addition to being smaller than the E12. But, right now, I would rather keep the E12, if I can find a solution to my problem.


Edited by stephanemtl - 4/12/14 at 12:16pm
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Which output should I use to combine the x3 with an external amp like the e12? the line out or the headphone jack? which has best sound quality?

 

I ask because the gain of the line out is too high (for my low impedance cans), which forces me to use the e12 at low volume. Unfortunately, the e12 is terrible at low volume (all the gain goes in the left channel). Using the headphone jack as line out would allow me to reduce the gain on the x3 (via the volume control) before sending the signal to the e12. But then I would end up double amping the signal....

 

Any thoughts? 

 

Other option: selling the E12 and bying the JDS LABS C5, which offers fantastic channel balance at low volume, in addition to being smaller than the E12. But, right now, I would rather keep the E12, if I can find a solution to my problem.


What about just using the headphone out of the X3 to your headphones without the E12?

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Does anyone have any news when is the next firmware update? Last I heard it was suppose to be released with X5

 

 

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I think FiiO is still working on it so it will be a few months.

 

Of course by then Fiio will be rushing to get the X1 into the market, and it'll be delayed again:evil:

post #9234 of 17125
That would be the easiest solution for sure.

But I already own the E12 and was told, in this thread, the SQ would be better with the E12.
post #9235 of 17125
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Originally Posted by Nec3 View Post


I apologize if my response was taking too long, I was just running a few tests using the FiiO X3 as a DAC into different amps to confirm the theory about soundstage.


Indeed the X3 has a smaller soundstage than the JDS Labs DAC. It indeed shrink the soundstage a bit, but it also has a slightly wider soundstage than the Sony Walkman E474 or an iPad. That's in correlation with using the Q701, unfortunately I can't speak for your HD558's (sorry!). However, the X3 has better instrument separation than both Sony Walkman E474 and iPad.

Try dropping a question about running your HD558's with a FiiO X3 here.


In my opinion, open back headphones are meant for home usage in which you have a desktop/tabletop setup for. Since they in general have a better DAC than a DAP that has to fit in battery life and compact form factor.

Thank you very much for your reply. smily_headphones1.gif I hope you don't mind but I have another question. smily_headphones1.gif
Right now I'm using my android device (samsung galaxy s3) as my player (and i think it also has a dac). If the soundstage of the x3 will be compared to my device, do you think the x3 has better soundstage than the s3?
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Originally Posted by stephanemtl View Post

That would be the easiest solution for sure.

But I already own the E12 and was told, in this thread, the SQ would be better with the E12.



Whoever told you that is (in my perspective) true.

I put the amplifier sound quality in this specific order.

JDS Labs ODAC/O2 > FiiO E12 > FiiO X3 > FiiO E07K

Of course, you have to also consider that the E07K and X3 are dac's and amps at the same time, therefore more bang per buck. The only toll that the X3 takes compared to the E12 is the loss in soundstage and slightly rolled off highs.

I can't compared which one drives louder because I don't want to break any of my headphones :P
Edit: I take that back, I broke my V-Moda's pumping volumes (hehe)

 

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Thank you very much for your reply. smily_headphones1.gif I hope you don't mind but I have another question. smily_headphones1.gif
Right now I'm using my android device (samsung galaxy s3) as my player (and i think it also has a dac). If the soundstage of the x3 will be compared to my device, do you think the x3 has better soundstage than the s3?

 

I don't mind at all, I like clacking away on my keyboard when I'm tired :D

Unfortunately I can't vouch for you specifically in the Galaxy S3 department.


However there is a guy who has compared the Galaxy S4 to the Fiio X3 as shown here. I don't think reviewers look at soundstage in specific nowadays, however he did say that the soundstage is good enough to use for classical music; in which is always a plus. I'm going to make assumptions here, and don't take my word for it. If he thought the S4 had better soundstage, he would have stated that it was better than the X3 in that regard.

 

I can however compare my Galaxy Ace 3 mini to the Fiio X3. (Also don't take my word for it, I heard the Galaxy S3 is miles ahead of the mini predecessor).

The X3 has a wider soundstage by a small margin that is definitely noticeable with even a closed back headphone. However my phone still sounds a bit lifeless and cold sounding compared to any of the audio devices I use to listen to music.


Edited by Nec3 - 4/12/14 at 3:37pm
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My initial question remains: which output is best to use with an external amp, line out or headphone jack?

Is there anything wrong with using the headphone jack? Would double amping affecting sq?
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In my experience the line out of the x3 is quite a bit better than the headphone out.

I'm not sayingbthat the HP out is bad bad to me it's the weakest point on the x3.

I don't see any reason for using the HP out to another amp other than wanting some change in the soundsignature.
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Originally Posted by stephanemtl View Post

Which output should I use to combine the x3 with an external amp like the e12? the line out or the headphone jack? which has best sound quality?

 

I ask because the gain of the line out is too high (for my low impedance cans), which forces me to use the e12 at low volume. Unfortunately, the e12 is terrible at low volume (all the gain goes in the left channel). Using the headphone jack as line out would allow me to reduce the gain on the x3 (via the volume control) before sending the signal to the e12. But then I would end up double amping the signal....


I use, and enjoy, my E12 DIY with my X3 every day at work via the X3's LO. Technically LO should be better, so I haven't tried the HP. What I can say for sure is that I haven't had any problems with channel imbalance at low volume with my Fiio E11, E12, or E12 DIY. If you bought it new and it's still under warranty, I'd RMA it and get another. Maybe PM JoeBloggs and see what he thinks.
Edited by nmatheis - 4/12/14 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by Nec3 View Post



Whoever told you that is (in my perspective) true.


I put the amplifier sound quality in this specific order.


JDS Labs ODAC/O2 > FiiO E12 > FiiO X3 > FiiO E07K

Sorry If you think I'm oc when it comes to soundstage. biggrin.gif but do you think it is better for me to buy the JDS Labs ODAC to use it as a DAC if my concern is the soundstage?

Edited by Gabriel12 - 4/12/14 at 4:03pm
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