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post #8596 of 12957

Anybody using Musicbee to play through your X3? I've been having some issues with playback freezing using ASIO. Steven has done some tweaking to Mb and seems to have found a fix (hopefully, so far I haven't had a freeze using the second version). Anyways if anybody wants to give it a go here's the link: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=11897.0

Cheers

post #8597 of 12957

I just got my X3 and...

 

Well I really was looking forward to liking it, but no, I just dont. The reasons:

 

*Buggy UI, that I may excuse.

*Funny button feeling, that I may excuse

*High bit rate MP3 are just unbearable bad! Really, my clip+, cell phone, etc are much better.

 

I know that it is a known "bug" of the X3, but I mean, really?!

"Cant play MP3s properly" doesnt sound like a selling point for a DAP, does it? What a joke!

 

I was expecting for the noise to be "barely perceptible" as reported by many on this, and other, forums, but it is not. For anyone interested: CROSS OUT THE MP3 support in the specs of this player. It just cant be seriously considered as "supported".

 

I know, I know, "the X3 is made for flacs, et al". But being realistic, someone must start a survey: "How many people use MP3s with the X3". I bet my right arm that a very high percentage does.

 

I just cant understand such people! You buy a "HiFi" DAP in order to experience a better cleaner sound, and you end with noisier music. AND you CLAIM that it is in fact better!  Just see the hyped reviews and the answers to people ACTUALLY asking how the X3 performs with MP3s, the x3 is ALWAYS reported as the better option, even for MP3s.

 

People must be really deaf if they are not hearing the high noise levels. I see a lot of reviews for this DAP and only very few (or better said: NONE) mention this "detail".

 

I dont want to offend anyone, but how are people claiming to be "audiophiles" if they are not capable of distinguishing this. Moreover, if they actually seem to PREFER it.

 

I really hope they fix this mess. The bugzilla thread seems to agree with the importance of this problem. Even if it was readily dismissed by the FIIO people as "not important".

 

Should have got the DX50...


Edited by gatucho - 2/17/14 at 8:10pm
post #8598 of 12957
Quote:
Originally Posted by gatucho View Post
 

I just got my X3 and...

 

Well I really was looking forward to liking it, but no, I just dont. The reasons:

 

*Buggy UI, that I may excuse.

*Funny button feeling, that I may excuse

*High bit rate MP3 are just unbearable bad! Really, my clip+, cell phone, etc are much better.

 

I know that it is a known "bug" of the X3, but I mean, really?!

"Cant play MP3s properly" doesnt sound like a selling point for a DAP, does it? What a joke!

 

I was expecting for the noise to be "barely perceptible" as reported by many on this, and other, forums, but it is not. For anyone interested: CROSS OUT THE MP3 support in the specs of this player. It just cant be seriously considered as "supported".

 

I know, I know, "the X3 is made for flacs, et al". But being realistic, someone must start a survey: "How many people use MP3s with the X3". I bet my right arm that a very high percentage does.

 

I just cant understand such people! You buy a "HiFi" DAP in order to experience a better cleaner sound, and you end with noisier music. AND you CLAIM that it is in fact better!  Just see the hyped reviews and the answers to people ACTUALLY asking how the X3 performs with MP3s, the x3 is ALWAYS reported as the better option, even for MP3s.

 

People must be really deaf if they are not hearing the high noise levels. I see a lot of reviews for this DAP and only very few (or better said: NONE) mention this "detail".

 

I dont want to offend anyone, but how are people claiming to be "audiophiles" if they are not capable of distinguishing this. Moreover, if they actually seem to PREFER it.

 

I really hope they fix this mess. The bugzilla thread seems to agree with the importance of this problem. Even if it was readily dismissed by the FIIO people as "not important".

 

Should have got the DX50...

 

Then by all means send it back to wherever you purchased it and go get yourself a DX50.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

post #8599 of 12957
Quote:
Originally Posted by gatucho View Post

I just got my X3 and...

Well I really was looking forward to liking it, but no, I just dont. The reasons:

*Buggy UI, that I may excuse.
*Funny button feeling, that I may excuse
*High bit rate MP3 are just unbearable bad! Really, my clip+, cell phone, etc are much better.

I know that it is a known "bug" of the X3, but I mean, really?!
"Cant play MP3s properly" doesnt sound like a selling point for a DAP, does it? What a joke!

I was expecting for the noise to be "barely perceptible" as reported by many on this, and other, forums, but it is not. For anyone interested: CROSS OUT THE MP3 support in the specs of this player. It just cant be seriously considered as "supported".

I know, I know, "the X3 is made for flacs, et al". But being realistic, someone must start a survey: "How many people use MP3s with the X3". I bet my right arm that a very high percentage does.

I just cant understand such people! You buy a "HiFi" DAP in order to experience a better cleaner sound, and you end with noisier music. AND you CLAIM that it is in fact better!  Just see the hyped reviews and the answers to people ACTUALLY asking how the X3 performs with MP3s, the x3 is ALWAYS reported as the better option, even for MP3s.

People must be really deaf if they are not hearing the high noise levels. I see a lot of reviews for this DAP and only very few (or better said: NONE) mention this "detail".

I dont want to offend anyone, but how are people claiming to be "audiophiles" if they are not capable of distinguishing this. Moreover, if they actually seem to PREFER it.

I really hope they fix this mess. The bugzilla thread seems to agree with the importance of this problem. Even if it was readily dismissed by the FIIO people as "not important".

Should have got the DX50...
Probably due to the mismatch of your IEMs/cans or the gain settings.

The X3 doesn't sound "noisy" nor bad with 320kbps .mp3. In fact, it has got one of the darkest black background and betters the DX50.

I've both and I can ascertain that.
post #8600 of 12957

Would do if I could, no joy with customs and shipping rates. Waited 1 month to get the X3, paid $70 additional to retail price. It will remain with me for as long as I can hope for a fix.

 

My post (rant) was just to advise possible customers (say... unaware victims). If you pretend to get HiFi sound from the X3-MP3 combination (ahh and it even rimes!) you will be depending on how much can you convince yourself of an illusion. The deconding noise is not "just noticeable", it sounds as if someone was using sandpaper on the wall.

 

I just wish someone had told this truth as plain as Im saying it, so I am. If someone feels offended, then my bad... But the thing still is a tragedy, should have added "No full MP3 support" to the specs.

 

Will wait and see... the door still may be open again. I mean... even my 2005 GPS which runs windows CE has MP3 support. How difficult can it be to fix it. (HA!)

post #8601 of 12957
Quote:
Originally Posted by gatucho View Post
 

Would do if I could, no joy with customs and shipping rates. Waited 1 month to get the X3, paid $70 additional to retail price. It will remain with me for as long as I can hope for a fix.

 

My post (rant) was just to advise possible customers (say... unaware victims). If you pretend to get HiFi sound from the X3-MP3 combination (ahh and it even rimes!) you will be depending on how much can you convince yourself of an illusion. The deconding noise is not "just noticeable", it sounds as if someone was using sandpaper on the wall.

 

I just wish someone had told this truth as plain as Im saying it, so I am. If someone feels offended, then my bad... But the thing still is a tragedy, should have added "No full MP3 support" to the specs.

 

Will wait and see... the door still may be open again. I mean... even my 2005 GPS which runs windows CE has MP3 support. How difficult can it be to fix it. (HA!)

Well, I can't exactly speak for what you are hearing, but the mp3s I've listened to haven't sounded any worse than my ipod or sony. Certainly not "sandpaper on the wall"

post #8602 of 12957
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Originally Posted by xaddictionx View Post


Probably due to the mismatch of your IEMs/cans or the gain settings.

The X3 doesn't sound "noisy" nor bad with 320kbps .mp3. In fact, it has got one of the darkest black background and betters the DX50.

I've both and I can ascertain that.

See! This is what I was telling. I KNOW the X3 is darkest black background. The noise is not analog, it is produced by the MP3 decoder. Search this tread for FIIO own confirmation (this bug has the 2nd place in the bugzilla forum).


FYI I used:

* TF10 directly from the X3 vs the clip+: WIN=clip+

* TF10 from O2 and X3 (line output and directly from the headphone output) vs the clip+ (without O2): WIN=clip+

* HD600 directly from the X3 vs the clip+: WIN=clip+ (at the same output level, the X3 is able of much more volume)

* HD600 from O2 and X3 (line output and directly from the headphone output) vs the clip+ and O2: WIN=clip+ (this time both at high volume)

* T1 directly from the X3 vs the clip+: WIN=clip+ (at the same output level, the X3 is able of much more volume)

* T1 from O2 and X3 (line output and directly from the headphone output) vs the clip+ and O2: WIN=clip+ (this time both at high volume)

 

I am only refering to the noise (digital) level with MP3s. The X3 dynamics and other characteristics are much better that the clip's. That is what makes me mad.. the X3 had such potential... but it losses because the digital (SW and fixable) noise is much higher.

 

You should not back the X3 if it is really noisier (at least with MP3s)... the issue is fixable and if everyone is going around "ahh it is not big issue" then it wont be and FIIO will never fix it.

 

For me it is a big deal... For you.. you decide. But really, a audiophile level DAP with noisy MP3 decoding?


Edited by gatucho - 2/17/14 at 8:52pm
post #8603 of 12957
Quote:
Originally Posted by gatucho View Post
 

See! This is what I was telling. I KNOW the X3 is darkest black background. The noise is not analog, it is produced by the MP3 decoder. Search this tread for FIIO own confirmation (this bug has the 2nd place in the bugzilla forum).


FYI I used:

* TF10 directly from the X3 vs the clip+: WIN=clip+

* TF10 from O2 and X3 (line output and directly from the headphone output) vs the clip+ (without O2): WIN=clip+

* HD600 directly from the X3 vs the clip+: WIN=clip+ (at the same output level, the X3 is able of much more volume)

* HD600 from O2 and X3 (line output and directly from the headphone output) vs the clip+ and O2 (without O2): WIN=clip+ (this time both at high volume)

* T1 directly from the X3 vs the clip+: WIN=clip+ (at the same output level, the X3 is able of much more volume)

* T1 from O2 and X3 (line output and directly from the headphone output) vs the clip+ and O2 (without O2): WIN=clip+ (this time both at high volume)

 

I am only refering to the noise (digital) level with MP3s. The X3 dynamics and other characteristics are much better that the clip's. That is what makes me mad.. the X3 had such potential... but it losses because the digital (SW and fixable) noise is much higher.

 

You should not back the X3 if it is really noisier (at least with MP3s)... the issue is fixable and if everyone is going around "ahh it is not big issue" then it wont be and FIIO will never fix it.

 

For me it is a big deal... For you.. you decide. But really, a audiophile level DAP with noisy MP3 decoding?

Since Fiio is fairly pro-active in solving problems, then I would suggest that you should email a couple of the files that are getting decoded so badly to customer support. This way the engineers will be able to see what is going wrong, and create a proper fix.

post #8604 of 12957
Quote:
Originally Posted by gatucho View Post
 

See! This is what I was telling. I KNOW the X3 is darkest black background. The noise is not analog, it is produced by the MP3 decoder. Search this tread for FIIO own confirmation (this bug has the 2nd place in the bugzilla forum).

 

What quality MP3 files are you using? I've been incredibly happy listening to mostly FLAC files with my X3, but with the few 320kbps VBR MP3s I've listened to I haven't noticed this noise at all. And it would most definitely present itself with my HE-400s or RE0s. I'm actually listening to Olivia Tremor Control's recently released John Peel Sessions in MP3 format right now, and it sounds 100% clean. I wonder if your issues aren't hardware related, because for me, high-quality MP3s sound practically indistinguishable from FLAC.

post #8605 of 12957
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Originally Posted by Marlene View Post
 

 

Marlene can answer that herself :gs1000smile:

 

No, it wasn´t adressed. The X3 decodes lossy formats still as horrible (sorry, but that´s what it is) as before, including wrong bit depths, phase distortions, warble on OGG and general decoding errors on MP3.

 

Total harmonic distortions, FiiO X3, FW 2.10

 

Though I´m sure that all of these errors will be rectified so I´m patient.


Oh no, I am not crazy, the sandpaper is there. I am not the fist one to notice, even FIIO is aware (they obviously dont want to make a fuzz about it). If you cant hear it, maybe you should reconsider your need for an "audiophile class" DAP.

 

No.. just kidding. Everyone needs one!

 

I really wish I couldnt hear it. Or that it wouldnt bother me so much. The X3 sounds very nice in other regards. But I do notice it, and it bothers me... I just can believe that others dont.

 

I dont really think it is hardware related, FLAC files sound pristine, the quiet parts of the MP3 are the offenders.


Edited by gatucho - 2/17/14 at 9:10pm
post #8606 of 12957
Quote:
Originally Posted by gatucho View Post
 

 If you cant hear it, maybe you should reconsider your need for an "audiophile class" DAP.

 

No.. just kidding. Everyone needs one!

I read the "No.. just kidding" just in time ...    :mad:...:cool: 

post #8607 of 12957

Just went ahead and transcoded an MP3 to FLAC and guess what. No noise... The noise is in the MP3 decoder, and it is not tolerable for me. The X3 will be in the drawer as long as FIIO fixes it.

post #8608 of 12957
Quote:
Originally Posted by gatucho View Post
 

Just went ahead and transcoded an MP3 to FLAC and guess what. No noise... The noise is in the MP3 decoder, and it is not tolerable for me. The X3 will be in the drawer as long as FIIO fixes it.

Use AAC, then, if FLAC is too large - no need to leave it in a drawer....

post #8609 of 12957
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Originally Posted by tjw321 View Post
 

Use AAC, then, if FLAC is too large - no need to leave it in a drawer....

+1 for AAC :)

post #8610 of 12957
I still don't get what noise you all are taking about. I have more mp3s and AAC then flac I don't here any noise. But a big problem I'm having is the stupid thing keeps getting stuck when trying to read the damn memory card i have a hour and 30 mim bus commute and had to restart it 6 times buy the time I got to my destination.
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