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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

You will read just as much (actually, a lot more) about freeze, crash, quirk and complaints on iPhone if you bother to go to Apple's forum. That doesn't mean Apple is beta testing iPhone.

 

OK


Edited by Cannikin - 1/4/14 at 9:11pm
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Originally Posted by Cannikin View Post
 


My personal experience with many, many Apple devices is completely the opposite: excellent UI on most devices, and crashing/freezing/bad behavior of phones and ipods is almost non-existent. The X3, in comparison, has been rife with problems and unpredictability, and navigating the UI is very much like a device from ten years ago. YMMV, of course.

 

..and thus my point that there is a difference between what you read online and what you experience personally - and a personal experience should not be sum up as a general characterization for all.

 

Like the few whom had posted before me, I have absolutely no problem with my X3 for months now. The UI / design might not look anywhere sleek, but that should be pretty well known if you read review before buying. I would think it is a very tall order to ask a small company to match the design of Apple, given Apple probably has a design department several times bigger than a small company. Don't forget even as big as they are, Apple has its 'antennagate' problem as well.


Edited by ClieOS - 1/4/14 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

 

..and thus my point that there is a difference between what you read online and what you experience personally - and a personal experience should not be sum up as a general characterization for all.

 

Like the few whom had posted before me, I have absolutely no problem with my X3 for months now. The UI / design might not look anywhere sleek, but that should be pretty well known if you read review before buying. I would think it is a very tall order to ask a small company to match the design of Apple, given Apple probably has a design department several times bigger than a small company. Don't forget even as big as they are, Apple has its 'antennagate' problem as well.

I also have had the X3 for sometime.  Purchased right after it was released. I have upgraded through all of the versions without an issue.  Early on I did have a corrupted database which with the help of the great support from Fiio we were able to clear out. Like most non-apple DAPs the X3 is susceptible to bad data in the form of garbage track names etc. Apple addresses this by forcing you to use iTunes which cleanses the data before loading the i device. One of my issues with i Devices is that I like to browse through my music and I find the X3 and other DAP's approach to having a simple file browse view is much faster than trying to muddle my way through 500 artists to find the one I am looking for.  So for me the X3 or any Rockbox'd device the bomb.

 

As far as the X3, I find the DAC as acceptable and use it with my Air,  The DAP is easy to use, reliable, great battery life, solid SQ while being a bit warm which I find nice. I use the X3 primarily with my IEMs. Couldn't ask for anything more for the price point or even something orders of magnitude greater in cost.

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Originally Posted by peter123 View Post

It's difficult to say how many units that really have a problem.

I've used my X3 almost everyday since August and has not encountered a single problem with it. It has been upgraded to also work as an USB DAC as well during this time so I'm a happy camper:)

Same here.  Only problem I've had is a couple of times when, having left it in my back pocket I sat on it and it then froze up.  A reset later and it was good to go.

 

As an aside, I was in the beta programme for the 2,05 firmware and have applied every other one out there...without issue.  I have never had issues with my various microSD cards; however I do pull them and write using an adapter in my laptop as it is much faster.

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this thread is depressing and making me regret my fiio x3 purchase:(

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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

You will read just as much (actually, a lot more) about freeze, crash, quirk and complaints on iPhone if you bother to go to Apple's forum. That doesn't mean Apple is beta testing iPhone.

i should have read this first

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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

..and thus my point that there is a difference between what you read online and what you experience personally - and a personal experience should not be sum up as a general characterization for all.

The firmware is up to date, in case you were wondering, and my TF card was reformatted in the X3 before reloading my files.
Edited by Cannikin - 1/4/14 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

Buy a sony zx1 or ak120 then

Also I habe not had any issues with my x3 since I got mine when they first announced it.
Can you browse by artist and then pick an album by that artist? If so why does everyone seem to have to use folder view? How about gapless? So you're saying to get something with a good UI. I need to throw more money out there. The reviews ive read on the 120 doesn't seem to follow that. It seems to work about like the X3.One of the main problems I have is actually getting hands on one without committing to one to see if i could live with the quirks. Something that I haven't been able to find out, does the X3 do Replaygain?
Edited by nonrality - 1/4/14 at 11:30am
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My biggest problem with the X3 is the battery life.  One charge gives me 8-9 hours (closer to 8) instead of the advertised 10 hours.  I wish they made the battery user-replaceable as well so you can just swap a fresh battery if it runs out.

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Originally Posted by Za Warudo View Post
 

My biggest problem with the X3 is the battery life.  One charge gives me 8-9 hours (closer to 8) instead of the advertised 10 hours.  I wish they made the battery user-replaceable as well so you can just swap a fresh battery if it runs out.

ummm why would you need more than 8 hours of battery life... do you plan on using it 9 hours straight....?

That also may be at a safe listening level.

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

ummm why would you need more than 8 hours of battery life... do you plan on using it 9 hours straight....?

That also may be at a safe listening level.

No, but I'll like to not have to charge it every other day, especially when it takes like 6 hours to charge it.

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Originally Posted by Za Warudo View Post
 

No, but I'll like to not have to charge it every other day, especially when it takes like 6 hours to charge it.

lol technology is making us lazy... I plan on charging mine everyday.

 

that wasn't saying you are lazy... but just in general. I guess later ppl will complain about a device only lasting a week on a charge as if they were going on a safari hunt.

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Originally Posted by Cannikin View Post


Quite true, I acknowledge that fact; some of my gripes are all grounded in my muscle memory for Apple devices. (Though I still find the iPod Classic a chore to navigate when searching for a specific album/composer, etc.)

However, I'd be far more forgiving of the UI if the device didn't skip partway through tracks (only a few, but happens every time I play them. Music purchased from HDtracks, by the way), if it displayed album artwork (80% of my albums do NOT display artwork) , if it didn't lock up for five to twenty seconds at least once every time I use it, if it didn't periodically freeze and need a reset, and if it didn't corrupt it's listings (some albums now list up to four copies of each track in the folder, which isn't the case).

UI awkwardness (for me, it's awkward - admittedly not everyone feels this way) is something I can train myself to deal with. Poor performance and playback errors/freeze-ups/cataloging errors are a very different matter.

The firmware is up to date, in case you were wondering, and my TF card was reformatted in the X3 before reloading my files.

 

The reason why iDevice tend to work flawlessly is because there is this thing called iTune, which either asks you to only buy iDevice compatible music in the first place or forces you to convert your music before loading to the device itself. You get the compatibility not because iDevice is better on the firmware, but because the heavy lifting has been taken care using some clever trick. The problem with FiiO is that they don't have an iTune of their own to optimize the files and check for compatibility before they are loaded onto X3. Therefore X3 itself must be able to read everything and try to play them back. That will require more intensive coding than that on iDevices and ultimately lesser smoothness and more buggy in operation. I think it will be much easier for them just to write a FLAC encoder, then require everyone to convert all their music to a fully functional 24/192 FLAC setting before loading, but then I'll probably hate it as much as I hated iTune. I remember an article from a few years back comparing OSX to Windows - it mentioned that although OSX ran on a much slower hardware back then, people still believe it ran faster. But in actual measurement, OSX did run slower. It is just that Apple had managed to pre-load the interface up so people thought it ran faster. But in reality it still had to wait for the library in the background to load up before it can actually work. Where Windows seemed slower because it didn't pre-load any interface but only came out when everything had been loaded and ready to work.

 

I have recoded / optimized my whole music collection so 99.95% of the time they will just play on any device I loaded them on. Basically I have done the job of iTune, except that my optimization is toward maximum compatibility to non-iDevice DAP since I do own quite a few of them. The funny part is that I have encountered more problem asking my iPod Nano to playback mp3 file (*when they are encoded via non-common setting) than I have with X3. It is a pain in all honesty to get everything runs right, but in return I have faced much less problem these days with any DAP, regardless it is X3 or an iPod Nano.

 

Sometime it is just the little thing that gets you. Remind me of this.


Edited by ClieOS - 1/4/14 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View PostI remember an article from a few years back comparing OSX to Windows - it mentioned that although OSX ran on a much slower hardware back then, people still believe it ran faster. But in actual measurement, OSX did run slower. It is just that Apple had managed to pre-load the interface up so people thought it ran faster. But in reality it still had to wait for the library in the background to load up before it can actually work. Where Windows seemed slower because it didn't pre-load any interface but only came out when everything had been loaded and ready to work.

 

I'm not about to give up on my X3 - I will learn to use it and appreciate it for what it is.

 

I won't ever be critical of any device, ever again. I'm getting the impression this forum doesn't tolerate such things.


Edited by Cannikin - 1/4/14 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by Cannikin View Post
 

 

Which points to the subtext of this discussion: everything pivots around User Experience, and if UE is difficult/crippled/tedious and/or problematic, everything else is secondary. If something seems easier to use - whether it is only an illusion conjured by some software trickery - then it is easier to use; how it arrived at "easier/faster/less complicated" is irrelevant. Just my opinion, as an end user.

 

I'm not about to give up on my X3 - I will learn to use it and appreciate it for what it is. But that doesn't mean I won't still regard the UE as "a compromise".

For 240 USD (versus 399 USD for an equivalent 64GB iPod Touch) I can live with a 'difficult' UE.  Especially since the X3 can be used on any system as a mass storage device, plays back hi-res files (that are not locked into a single device's compatibility matrix), doubles as a DAC, etc.  But than again I exclusively run Linux and probably spend ~20% of the time in the CLI so my demands probably don't line up with those who say "Ooooh....shiny".

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