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Other devices (Zune, iPod, Sansa, etc.) sort just fine using various software. It's def. the player. I'm really hoping the next firmware update addresses this. Does anyone know if there are sources to receive alerts for updates?
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The only other thing I can think of is if the database isn't updated
post #7353 of 17128
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Originally Posted by CalliopeK View Post

Other devices (Zune, iPod, Sansa, etc.) sort just fine using various software. It's def. the player. I'm really hoping the next firmware update addresses this. Does anyone know if there are sources to receive alerts for updates?

Right now the X3 will only show all the tracks when you select Artist. I believe the Fiio still has plans to make the sorting better (eg. artist>album>tracks. Seems what most people here would like to see), but I haven't heard whether that'll make it to the next update. Don't know if there is an alert system for updates, but Fiio does post links here and on their website.

post #7354 of 17128
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Originally Posted by noov View Post
 

After much reading still cant decide which way to go X3,E18 or even wait X5... Would like to have dap but not sure about UI. I have all my flac collection properly tagged with embeded cover arts and have huge ~1000 songs compilation with replay gain track gain and title tag (Artist - song name). On my samsung galaxy S3 with poweramp everything works fine, but not sure about X3. Also im using Westone 4r iems. I could use velcro stickers with E18 and S3 (but still it will weight much and takes much space in pocket) or buy X3, i would prefer dap but like i said not sure if my compilation works fine with replaygain, title tags and cover art and UI willbe good for me... Anyone could suggest?


I can tell you the W4R sounds very nice with the X3. You should just get the X3 and enjoy for a few months and when the X5 comes out, sell your X3 and upgrade. :atsmile: 

post #7355 of 17128

Is there any possibility of Rockox being developed for the X3?

 

I really miss having the fully adjustable EQ that Rockbox offered.  

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I would like the opinion(s) of the more experienced and informed users here. I have had the FiiO X 3 for about a week and I've determined that the sound quality isn't worth the troublesome UI and other quirks. I have loaded about 35 albums of FLAC and ALAC files on the device + 32gb card, and already it is obvious that the button/navigation is going to become extremely tedious if I get more/larger storage cards. Typically I play an entire album in one go, so the typical "playlist" feature doesn't matter to me, so its not like I'm looking to mirror my Apple/iOS  experience here. Still, the button layout is proving to be a challenge for my muscle memory; I am constantly pressing the Menu button instead of the Forward button, because it is placed badly!

 

I've also had a very iffy experience with the software: high def music files purchased from HDtracks.com sometimes play only to a specific point in the track, then the player skips to the next track! Same thing with some of my home ripped ALAC and AIFF files. Album art is erratic: it displays with some albums and not others, and it doesn't seem to matter if its purchased music, or home rips. I have added a few albums at a time and each time I manually prompt the device to generate a new inventory of the files, and now I have certain albums that display three or four copies of each track, when I know for a fact there is only one of each! WTF?? When using the USB connect to my MacBook Pro, if I leave the X3 plugged in to charge for more than a few minutes without manually unmounting the drives (internal and sd card both) then the X3 shuts off and I get a system error warning me that I have disconnected drives incorrectly, risking damage to the storage.

 

This has felt like a beta experience, using a device from 1998. In fact, loading, viewing and playing music reminds me a lot of my first MP3 player - a Diamond Rio. Surely there is something better than this?!

 

So, here's my question: will switching to a more expensive piece of hardware fix the problems I've experienced with the X3? I mean, I bought the FiiO knowing fully well that many users here have lamented the less-than-ideal UI etc., but I was not prepared for what I've had to deal with. I figured I could cope with a "kludgy" UI in order to get the sound quality I knew was possible, but I can't help feeling like I got what I paid for: a $200 experience, when what I want is the $700 - $1200 experience.

 

Tomorrow I am going to be at ALO Audio to test drive the A&K DAPs. But if anyone can give me some advice before I do so, I'd like to hear from you. Is it going to be a waste of money to step up to an AK100? Will the experience be any better than the X3 has been?

 

Many thanks for your suggestions and input.

post #7357 of 17128
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Originally Posted by Cannikin View Post

I would like the opinion(s) of the more experienced and informed users here. I have had the FiiO X 3 for about a week and I've determined that the sound quality isn't worth the troublesome UI and other quirks. I have loaded about 35 albums of FLAC and ALAC files on the device + 32gb card, and already it is obvious that the button/navigation is going to become extremely tedious if I get more/larger storage cards. Typically I play an entire album in one go, so the typical "playlist" feature doesn't matter to me, so its not like I'm looking to mirror my Apple/iOS  experience here. Still, the button layout is proving to be a challenge for my muscle memory; I am constantly pressing the Menu button instead of the Forward button, because it is placed badly!

I've also had a very iffy experience with the software: high def music files purchased from HDtracks.com sometimes play only to a specific point in the track, then the player skips to the next track! Same thing with some of my home ripped ALAC and AIFF files. Album art is erratic: it displays with some albums and not others, and it doesn't seem to matter if its purchased music, or home rips. I have added a few albums at a time and each time I manually prompt the device to generate a new inventory of the files, and now I have certain albums that display three or four copies of each track, when I know for a fact there is only one of each! WTF?? When using the USB connect to my MacBook Pro, if I leave the X3 plugged in to charge for more than a few minutes without manually unmounting the drives (internal and sd card both) then the X3 shuts off and I get a system error warning me that I have disconnected drives incorrectly, risking damage to the storage.

This has felt like a beta experience, using a device from 1998. In fact, loading, viewing and playing music reminds me a lot of my first MP3 player - a Diamond Rio. Surely there is something better than this?!

So, here's my question: will switching to a more expensive piece of hardware fix the problems I've experienced with the X3? I mean, I bought the FiiO knowing fully well that many users here have lamented the less-than-ideal UI etc., but I was not prepared for what I've had to deal with. I figured I could cope with a "kludgy" UI in order to get the sound quality I knew was possible, but I can't help feeling like I got what I paid for: a $200 experience, when what I want is the $700 - $1200 experience.

Tomorrow I am going to be at ALO Audio to test drive the A&K DAPs. But if anyone can give me some advice before I do so, I'd like to hear from you. Is it going to be a waste of money to step up to an AK100? Will the experience be any better than the X3 has been?

Many thanks for your suggestions and input.


None of these hidef daps give the iPod user experience. However some are better than others, but all have quirks. At the moment I'm happy with I basso DX50. There appears to be a mad rush to market now with DX90, X5, maybe an X7, X1, and various others. Looks an exciting year to melt your wallet on head-fi!
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Originally Posted by heliuscc View Post


None of these hidef daps give the iPod user experience. However some are better than others, but all have quirks. At the moment I'm happy with I basso DX50. There appears to be a mad rush to market now with DX90, X5, maybe an X7, X1, and various others. Looks an exciting year to melt your wallet on head-fi!

 

Yup, I understand that. But, since I am getting a chance to try out an Astell&Kern player tomorrow, I'd like to hear opinions on that device specifically, so I can evaluate it with any flaws/quirks in mind to see if I find them tolerable or not. Am I wasting my time looking at the A&K players, or is there a good chance I will find them to be a better, more fully-matured device? Thanks!

post #7359 of 17128
Depends what you're after. There's the impedance issue and no true line out with an AK100. Mk2 is better apparently. I use an amp generally so prefer a line out. YMMV
post #7360 of 17128
AK has its UI quirks too just that people like to pick on smaller guys. if usability and more modern touch screen is a top priority, AK is slightly better. SQ wise is just overpriced. Imho
post #7361 of 17128
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Originally Posted by Cannikin View Post

I would like the opinion(s) of the more experienced and informed users here. I have had the FiiO X 3 for about a week and I've determined that the sound quality isn't worth the troublesome UI and other quirks. I have loaded about 35 albums of FLAC and ALAC files on the device + 32gb card, and already it is obvious that the button/navigation is going to become extremely tedious if I get more/larger storage cards. Typically I play an entire album in one go, so the typical "playlist" feature doesn't matter to me, so its not like I'm looking to mirror my Apple/iOS  experience here. Still, the button layout is proving to be a challenge for my muscle memory; I am constantly pressing the Menu button instead of the Forward button, because it is placed badly!

I've also had a very iffy experience with the software: high def music files purchased from HDtracks.com sometimes play only to a specific point in the track, then the player skips to the next track! Same thing with some of my home ripped ALAC and AIFF files. Album art is erratic: it displays with some albums and not others, and it doesn't seem to matter if its purchased music, or home rips. I have added a few albums at a time and each time I manually prompt the device to generate a new inventory of the files, and now I have certain albums that display three or four copies of each track, when I know for a fact there is only one of each! WTF?? When using the USB connect to my MacBook Pro, if I leave the X3 plugged in to charge for more than a few minutes without manually unmounting the drives (internal and sd card both) then the X3 shuts off and I get a system error warning me that I have disconnected drives incorrectly, risking damage to the storage.

This has felt like a beta experience, using a device from 1998. In fact, loading, viewing and playing music reminds me a lot of my first MP3 player - a Diamond Rio. Surely there is something better than this?!


So, here's my question: will switching to a more expensive piece of hardware fix the problems I've experienced with the X3? I mean, I bought the FiiO knowing fully well that many users here have lamented the less-than-ideal UI etc., but I was not prepared for what I've had to deal with. I figured I could cope with a "kludgy" UI in order to get the sound quality I knew was possible, but I can't help feeling like I got what I paid for: a $200 experience, when what I want is the $700 - $1200 experience.

Tomorrow I am going to be at ALO Audio to test drive the A&K DAPs. But if anyone can give me some advice before I do so, I'd like to hear from you. Is it going to be a waste of money to step up to an AK100? Will the experience be any better than the X3 has been?

Many thanks for your suggestions and input.
I too never thought I would get use to the layout and now I can navigate no problem. As for your other complaints this is there first attempt at a DAP and it they did fairly well. As the saying goes you get what you pay for. Is there better out there, you bet, but you are going to pay a lot more, and that does not mean you are getting anything better. The AK120 would be better and soon the AK140, also like the other responder said there is a new X5 which has faster UI, also the DX90 which will both be out in march 14`
post #7362 of 17128
Fiio X3 is worth the price as the dac function is just so much good.

I do think that they should switch to android for UI as anything less than that is not good enough. That means bigger touch screen.

@Cannikin
Dont see the point going for AK, the UI still wont be a match. Check out ZX1.

But I am still searching for the perfect dap.
Edited by psygeist - 12/29/13 at 5:12pm
post #7363 of 17128
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Originally Posted by psygeist View Post

Fiio X3 is worth the price as the dac function is just so much good.

I do think that they should switch to android for UI as anything less than that is not good enough. That means bigger touch screen.

@Cannikin
Dont see the point going for AK, the UI still wont be a match. Check out ZX1.

But I am still searching for the perfect dap.

 

If they developed a Rockbox build for it, I would have everything I need.  The UI is not that bad at all.  Also, what advantage would Android have over the current OS?  

post #7364 of 17128
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Originally Posted by Cannikin View Post
 

I would like the opinion(s) of the more experienced and informed users here. I have had the FiiO X 3 for about a week and I've determined that the sound quality isn't worth the troublesome UI and other quirks. I have loaded about 35 albums of FLAC and ALAC files on the device + 32gb card, and already it is obvious that the button/navigation is going to become extremely tedious if I get more/larger storage cards. Typically I play an entire album in one go, so the typical "playlist" feature doesn't matter to me, so its not like I'm looking to mirror my Apple/iOS  experience here. Still, the button layout is proving to be a challenge for my muscle memory; I am constantly pressing the Menu button instead of the Forward button, because it is placed badly!

 

I've also had a very iffy experience with the software: high def music files purchased from HDtracks.com sometimes play only to a specific point in the track, then the player skips to the next track! Same thing with some of my home ripped ALAC and AIFF files. Album art is erratic: it displays with some albums and not others, and it doesn't seem to matter if its purchased music, or home rips. I have added a few albums at a time and each time I manually prompt the device to generate a new inventory of the files, and now I have certain albums that display three or four copies of each track, when I know for a fact there is only one of each! WTF?? When using the USB connect to my MacBook Pro, if I leave the X3 plugged in to charge for more than a few minutes without manually unmounting the drives (internal and sd card both) then the X3 shuts off and I get a system error warning me that I have disconnected drives incorrectly, risking damage to the storage.

 

This has felt like a beta experience, using a device from 1998. In fact, loading, viewing and playing music reminds me a lot of my first MP3 player - a Diamond Rio. Surely there is something better than this?!

 

So, here's my question: will switching to a more expensive piece of hardware fix the problems I've experienced with the X3? I mean, I bought the FiiO knowing fully well that many users here have lamented the less-than-ideal UI etc., but I was not prepared for what I've had to deal with. I figured I could cope with a "kludgy" UI in order to get the sound quality I knew was possible, but I can't help feeling like I got what I paid for: a $200 experience, when what I want is the $700 - $1200 experience.

 

Tomorrow I am going to be at ALO Audio to test drive the A&K DAPs. But if anyone can give me some advice before I do so, I'd like to hear from you. Is it going to be a waste of money to step up to an AK100? Will the experience be any better than the X3 has been?

 

Many thanks for your suggestions and input.

 

There has to be another explanation for this problem.  I've had mine since Saturday afternoon and I've had nothing but success with it.  I didn't think the UI was hard to navigate at all.  Not any harder than my Rockboxed Sansa.

 

I really wish FiiO would work with the Rockbox developer and come out with a build for the X3.  Then it would be 10/10 for me.  

 

I enjoy mine.  I think it puts out better sound than my Sansa or iPods.  

 

-hogger

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If people are looking for a very nice UI but don't want iPods than there is really only one option. You have to get something from iRiver, either the AK100 or the AK120. Expensive stuff, but the UI will be a lot better.

 

On a personal note I don't mind the X3 UI at all. I think it works just fine and is good enough for me. The X5 looks to have improved UI, so that might be worth the wait for those of you who want a nicer UI.

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