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post #6496 of 12951
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Originally Posted by bigzippy View Post


Hi James,

This would be much appreciated but for me there are two more fundamental usabilty issues...

1. Very slow to skip between tracks. Should be able to skip several tracks instantaneously.

2. Ability to navigate from a playing track to containing album or folder (usually regarded as the current playlist). These options could be added to the track information screen (long press back).

Regards

BZ

 

I completely agree that these are the two main additional problems.

 

With regard to the second, sometimes using the back button takes you one level up in the folder tree (from songs to albums) and other times it takes you all the way back to the home screen. I would think it should be short press takes you one level back and long press takes you to the home screen.  

post #6497 of 12951
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Originally Posted by Mr Trev View Post
 

You only need to copy the x3.fw file to the root folder of the sd card.


Thanks Mr. Trev.  I have tried that too with the same sad result.  I hope FiiO is listening.

post #6498 of 12951
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Originally Posted by Willieboy View Post
 


Thanks Mr. Trev.  I have tried that too with the same sad result.  I hope FiiO is listening.

The name has to be x3.fw

 

Nothing else. If it's even x3(1).fw then it won't work

post #6499 of 12951
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Originally Posted by Marlene View Post
 

 

I agree.

 

 

The audibility... let´s see... MP3 as decoded by the X3 has distortions up to -80 dB at a frequency area where our ears are most susceptible. Considering RMS levels that should be roughly at -50 dB. And this is only with a single 1 kHz sine having a level of -6 dB. With normal music it should indeed be audible. The least it (hopefully) would do, would be changing the sonic character of the MP3 file you´re playing.

 

Secondly, all lossy codecs as decoded by the X3 show a severe phase error / distortion (except AAC). Sadly, I´m unable to find studies dealing with audibility of phase errors so I can´t say for sure if they´re audible or not.

 

So I´d conclude that you didn´t go mad :beerchug: 

 

BTW, the DAC sounds indeed very good. THIS was very well done, FiiO.

 

So are there any playback issues with AAC at all?  ie, decoding, gapless, etc?  I need to try it myself, but just wondering.. I've been mulling over switching from MP3 to AAC for lossy codec and don't see why not.

post #6500 of 12951
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Originally Posted by pennylane View Post
 

 

So are there any playback issues with AAC at all?  ie, decoding, gapless, etc?  I need to try it myself, but just wondering.. I've been mulling over switching from MP3 to AAC for lossy codec and don't see why not.

 

There's a tiny pop sound in between tracks when gapless playback is enabled, other than that it's fine.

post #6501 of 12951

Is mp3 playback really that bad? I was about to pull the trigger on getting these until I read about the mp3 issues. I have a good amount of FLAC files since I started buying CDs, but mp3s are still a big part of my collection. I hope it gets fixed soon because I want to try this out.

post #6502 of 12951
Guys, ive noticed that when i select a song to play, i get 2 "pops". I dont think they are loud or damaging, but it worries me. It should be perfectly silent before a song starts playing. This just reminds me of when the Schiit gear was destroying headphones.....

Also, compared to O2/amb gamma 2 full++ combo with HD650 the x3 sounds a little "muffled". maybe this is the "veil" that people talk about on the HD650 but its not there with the o2/gamma2F++ combo, so perhaps the X3 just doesnt drive them properly?

This is on low gain mode, mind you. I dont know what the convention is: Is there a difference between Low gain/high volume and High gain/low volume? Does it change the voltage/current output characteristics? or will the output into a fixed load always be the same?

EDIT 3: just kidding, did some AB testing, fiio X3 is just a tiny bit warmer overall. Actually its rather preferable. very bowers and wilkins speaker like sound.

BTW guys i sent a list of bug fixes/features to Joe today. Let me know if theres anything specifically you'd like to see on there in addition to the Artist/Album sorting thing and the track numbers thing. Heres what I sent:

• Slow track forward/previous. I’ve heard it mentioned
• MP3 decoding problems and bit-depth issues (head-fi’s Marlene has details)
• Multiple button presses required for volume change and track increase (one button press to turn on screen, another button press to do the action) This is just something I’ve noticed slows down my usage of the player. I think it should require some discussion, maybe have your team use the player and see what they think.
• Gapless Playback Tiny Pops (still hearing some reports here and there, could just be peoples’ files, I’m not having any issues).
• Remember Browsing position. VERY annoying when player shuts down and doesn’t remember its location in browse mode, its playlist/last playing list of tracks, etc. The player seems to completely wipe all memory except settings when it shuts down instead of doing a “sleep” mode.
• Ability to navigate from a playing track to containing album or folder (usually regarded as the current playlist). These options could be added to the track information screen (long press back).
• Instead of using Volume +/- keys to change menu items, use play/pause button to cycle through menu items. This makes volume buttons ALWAYS volume, so you can always change volume. The “OK” button is sufficient for changing menu items. Again, discuss this with your team, as this is a pretty major change in usability but it will make the player operation smoother IMO.
• I noticed the player is incompatible with devices that mount USB drives. Receivers, blu-ray players, cars, etc. This is because the player appears as 2 different storage mediums (internal and TF card). It would be good if you could choose which one to mount, and that way this player would be USB compatible with many more off-the-shelf products because it would appear as a simple FAT32 flash drive instead of as 2 separate drives.
Edited by shrimants - 11/20/13 at 7:25pm
post #6503 of 12951
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Originally Posted by Unfie View Post
 

Is mp3 playback really that bad? I was about to pull the trigger on getting these until I read about the mp3 issues. I have a good amount of FLAC files since I started buying CDs, but mp3s are still a big part of my collection. I hope it gets fixed soon because I want to try this out.

Honestly, it's not like it's unlistenable or anything (to my relatively untrained ears).  I haven't done any direct comparisons, though.  I have many FLAC files and many mp3's but so far I only have albums with one or the other.  I really should test it.  Part of my question about AAC is because right now my portable listening codec is MP3 at "V 2" and i want to re-encode my FLAC to a "V 0" level.  The X3's issues with mp3 is part of the reason I was looking into AAC, but since I am going to do a massive re-encode anyway, I figure I should look at all my options.


Edited by pennylane - 11/20/13 at 7:48pm
post #6504 of 12951
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Originally Posted by shrimants View Post

Guys, ive noticed that when i select a song to play, i get 2 "pops". I dont think they are loud or damaging, but it worries me. It should be perfectly silent before a song starts playing. This just reminds me of when the Schiit gear was destroying headphones.....

Also, compared to O2/amb gamma 2 full++ combo with HD650 the x3 sounds a little "muffled". maybe this is the "veil" that people talk about on the HD650 but its not there with the o2/gamma2F++ combo, so perhaps the X3 just doesnt drive them properly?

This is on low gain mode, mind you. I dont know what the convention is: Is there a difference between Low gain/high volume and High gain/low volume? Does it change the voltage/current output characteristics? or will the output into a fixed load always be the same?

EDIT 3: just kidding, did some AB testing, fiio X3 is just a tiny bit warmer overall. Actually its rather preferable. very bowers and wilkins speaker like sound.

BTW guys i sent a list of bug fixes/features to Joe today. Let me know if theres anything specifically you'd like to see on there in addition to the Artist/Album sorting thing and the track numbers thing. Heres what I sent:

• Slow track forward/previous. I’ve heard it mentioned
• MP3 decoding problems and bit-depth issues (head-fi’s Marlene has details)
• Multiple button presses required for volume change and track increase (one button press to turn on screen, another button press to do the action) This is just something I’ve noticed slows down my usage of the player. I think it should require some discussion, maybe have your team use the player and see what they think.
• Gapless Playback Tiny Pops (still hearing some reports here and there, could just be peoples’ files, I’m not having any issues).
• Remember Browsing position. VERY annoying when player shuts down and doesn’t remember its location in browse mode, its playlist/last playing list of tracks, etc. The player seems to completely wipe all memory except settings when it shuts down instead of doing a “sleep” mode.
• Ability to navigate from a playing track to containing album or folder (usually regarded as the current playlist). These options could be added to the track information screen (long press back).
• Instead of using Volume +/- keys to change menu items, use play/pause button to cycle through menu items. This makes volume buttons ALWAYS volume, so you can always change volume. The “OK” button is sufficient for changing menu items. Again, discuss this with your team, as this is a pretty major change in usability but it will make the player operation smoother IMO.
• I noticed the player is incompatible with devices that mount USB drives. Receivers, blu-ray players, cars, etc. This is because the player appears as 2 different storage mediums (internal and TF card). It would be good if you could choose which one to mount, and that way this player would be USB compatible with many more off-the-shelf products because it would appear as a simple FAT32 flash drive instead of as 2 separate drives.

I have not had any issues with pops with either mp3 or FLAC.  I have been using "high gain" exclusively, as I have not run into a reason not to, and higher gain at the DAC level seems like a good idea, by my intuition anyway.  Also, I've been using the line out exclusively.

 

Your list sounds good to me.  I have run into gapless playback issues in "browse mode" still.  Gapless playback and mp3 decoding are my highest priorities.  Those browsing issues (remember position, having to "click to awake", and navigate from playing track to containing folder) are my biggest UI gripes, and the long-press-back to go from playing track to containing folder seems like the logical way to do that.  The volume keys and USB mounting aren't issues for me, but I can see where you're coming from.


Edited by pennylane - 11/20/13 at 7:46pm
post #6505 of 12951
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Originally Posted by shrimants View Post


BTW guys i sent a list of bug fixes/features to Joe today. Let me know if theres anything specifically you'd like to see on there in addition to the Artist/Album sorting thing and the track numbers thing. Heres what I sent:


• Instead of using Volume +/- keys to change menu items, use play/pause button to cycle through menu items. This makes volume buttons ALWAYS volume, so you can always change volume. The “OK” button is sufficient for changing menu items. Again, discuss this with your team, as this is a pretty major change in usability but it will make the player operation smoother IMO.

 

What I'd propose instead would be to use the volume controls to do an alphabetical skip. That way if a person has a huge amount of files, they'd be able to jump straight to M or something without having to scroll forever. The OK button would be fine for changing since like I believe you mentioned before there are only a couple of options to switch between.

 

The double button press thing has always been a bit of an annoyance for me. You shouldn't have to turn on the screen first before you can switch track/change volume. Maybe Fiio could make this another toggleable option (I think rockbox has the option where first button press turns on the screen or operates immediately)

 

I'm not sure what the deal with clicks in gapless is all about. It sometimes happens, sometimes doesn't (even with the same album). Although once I had it just repeat the same track a couple of times instead of going to the next one. Guess I'll blame it on sunspots......

 

Cheers.

post #6506 of 12951
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Originally Posted by Mr Trev View Post
 

 

What I'd propose instead would be to use the volume controls to do an alphabetical skip. That way if a person has a huge amount of files, they'd be able to jump straight to M or something without having to scroll forever. The OK button would be fine for changing since like I believe you mentioned before there are only a couple of options to switch between.

 

The double button press thing has always been a bit of an annoyance for me. You shouldn't have to turn on the screen first before you can switch track/change volume. Maybe Fiio could make this another toggleable option (I think rockbox has the option where first button press turns on the screen or operates immediately)

 

I'm not sure what the deal with clicks in gapless is all about. It sometimes happens, sometimes doesn't (even with the same album). Although once I had it just repeat the same track a couple of times instead of going to the next one. Guess I'll blame it on sunspots......

 

Cheers.

I really like the alphabetical skip idea, actually.

 

Double/triple click seems a bit complicated.  Short press and long press should be enough, I'd think...


Edited by pennylane - 11/20/13 at 8:14pm
post #6507 of 12951
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Originally Posted by Mr Trev View Post

What I'd propose instead would be to use the volume controls to do an alphabetical skip. That way if a person has a huge amount of files, they'd be able to jump straight to M or something without having to scroll forever. The OK button would be fine for changing since like I believe you mentioned before there are only a couple of options to switch between.

The double button press thing has always been a bit of an annoyance for me. You shouldn't have to turn on the screen first before you can switch track/change volume. Maybe Fiio could make this another toggleable option (I think rockbox has the option where first button press turns on the screen or operates immediately)

I'm not sure what the deal with clicks in gapless is all about. It sometimes happens, sometimes doesn't (even with the same album). Although once I had it just repeat the same track a couple of times instead of going to the next one. Guess I'll blame it on sunspots......

Cheers.

I think you misunderstood me. Take, for example, the play mode. There are 3 options: Repeat, Shuffle, Repeat Once.

Right now you use volume buttons to scroll back and forth through these 3 options.

I always wonder, why do we NEED to go backwards AND forwards? Why is it so hard to press the "OK" button to just cycle through ? Repeat -> Shuffle -> Repeat Once -> Repeat.

I'd say press/hold the "scroll down" button should start scrolling by alphabet.

Definitely double button is an annoyance. but thats up to Fiio to decide, i guess.

I also dunno what is up with gapless clicks. seems like a very intermittent issue.

I do think that multi-buttons or double/triple clicking buttons would be a good option for various functions, though I dont know what functions.
post #6508 of 12951
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post
 

The name has to be x3.fw

 

Nothing else. If it's even x3(1).fw then it won't work


I just tried it again after ensuring the the file name was X3.FW.  That is the only file on the card.  I got the same result:  "file system not support or file not found."


Edited by Willieboy - 11/20/13 at 8:36pm
post #6509 of 12951
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Originally Posted by Willieboy View Post


I just tried it again after ensuring the the file name was X3.FW.  That is the only file on the card.  I got the same result:  "file system not support or file not found."

start from scratch. Re-download the file, extract it. Reset the X3, use the X3 to format the TF card, plug the X3 into windows, let windows do any repair stuff it needs to do, eject and plug it back in, make sure everythign is fine and dandy, then put the X3 firmware on the root of the TF card, press the update buttons, see what happens.

Do those steps exactly. dont skip any steps.

EDIT: holy crap i broke 1000 posts!
post #6510 of 12951
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Originally Posted by Willieboy View Post
 


I just tried it again after ensuring the the file name was X3.FW.  That is the only file on the card.  I got the same result:  "file system not support or file not found."

Take a screenshot.

Do these steps exactly

 

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Originally Posted by shrimants View Post


start from scratch. Re-download the file, extract it. Reset the X3, use the X3 to format the TF card, plug the X3 into windows, let windows do any repair stuff it needs to do, eject and plug it back in, make sure everythign is fine and dandy, then put the X3 firmware on the root of the TF card, press the update buttons, see what happens.

Do those steps exactly. dont skip any steps.

EDIT: holy crap i broke 1000 posts!

Yep, exact steps needed

 

Congrats! 

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