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post #6106 of 12308
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Originally Posted by shrimants View Post

Just tried playing gapless album on X3, fw 2.05. Something is broken, maybe not player. A song was listed as 4 minutes, 44 seconds long. If I let it play, it gets most of the way through the song and switches to the next track prematurely. It switches to the next track at exactly the same place every time if I just let it play. It didnt do this for the previous tracks. I dont know whats up with that one specific song, maybe the track itself got screwed up. I scroll it to 3:29 and the player's timer stocks but the track keeps playing. The player completely freezes but keeps playing, then the sound freezes, then the player switches to next track. The last 3 songs didnt have this problem but this song just screws up the moment it reaches the 3:29 mark. I cannot make it play the song past that mark, it always switches to the next track. I'll try another album and see what happens.

The more I think about it, the more I think this might be some transfer issue with putting songs onto the mem stick and not an issue with the player. However, this really boils down to an issue with an excessively slow transfer rate (2.5MB/s) to the player and lack of exFAT support.

I've used the bootice and guiformat utility to do my formating, and i've used regular drag+drop transfer method for transfering songs. When I plug in to windows at work though, windows told me it needed to fix file system errors, even though my computer at home didnt have any problems. Dont know what that is all about.

I'm unable to duplicate this 'bug'. I tried a number of albums in gapless mode, but not one skipped at that time index (or any other). I noticed you mentioned a 2nd album in another post where you experienced the same problem. What albums/artists were these?

Have you tried using the built-in format utility that was included with firmware 2.05? I've re-formatted all of my cards with the built-in utility and it appears to have corrected some minor issues, especially the infrequent prompts to repair the filesystem when plugging the X3 into certain devices.

Dale
post #6107 of 12308
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Originally Posted by DarrenTheGeek View Post

Its nice to join this group and open up a fresh new can of worms!  There was a four part series of articles in the Absolute Sound magazine by Dr. Charles Zeilig and Jay Clawson beginning in 2012. Some of what was written was rather "deep" and beyond my comprehension.  There was comparisons of FLAC to WAV files and FLAC to ALAC.  Some of a response string I found here: http://www.theabsolutesound.com/forums/profiles/5606/ but one of the later articles favored ALAC over FLAC. This was their opinion and not mine.  Since I'm mac-based I figured I'd go with ALAC files.  Why not?  But now Ive got a situation where DVD Audio Extractor ripped my DVD-A into ALACs and the X3 cannot play them through.  It chokes.  Conversely when I ripped some of my CDs into ALACs through iTunes, the X3 played them with ease.  Of course the DVD-A are vastly larger files than the CDs are but today I re-ripped the DVD-A into FLAC and the X3 played them perfectly. It leads me to believe ALACs birthed by DVD Audio Extractor gave the X3 hives....

Yes, the absolute sound is an often quoted source, often quoted in order to ridicule their ludicrous and completely uninformed and uneducated claims. A much more accurate and informed opinion can be formed by reading Xiph.org and by watching the videos there.

http://xiph.org/video/ This should get you started. They are LONG videos, but will give you a quite a significant insight. Another one is Collin's Lab video about DAC (R-2R). If that is over your head, you can do a quick video or tutorial about how to represent numbers in binary. Heck, if you're interested, go to www.reddit.com/r/audiophile and join our chat (its in the sidebar) and ask some questions.
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Originally Posted by AgentXXL View Post

I'm unable to duplicate this 'bug'. I tried a number of albums in gapless mode, but not one skipped at that time index (or any other). I noticed you mentioned a 2nd album in another post where you experienced the same problem. What albums/artists were these?

Have you tried using the built-in format utility that was included with firmware 2.05? I've re-formatted all of my cards with the built-in utility and it appears to have corrected some minor issues, especially the infrequent prompts to repair the filesystem when plugging the X3 into certain devices.

Dale

*sigh* yeahhhhhh......I guess i'll give that a go. I guess i'll see you guys next week when all this crap is done transfering :/
post #6108 of 12308
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Originally Posted by Lespectraal View Post
 

Anyone care to make a comparison of the X3 in USB DAC mode to that of say, the CEntrance DACPort and other similar USB DAC devices?

Also anyone else using DT 880 250Ohms with this device? Can I hear what are your thoughts on the sound?

Thanks.

 

I think the X3 sounds dark, almost muddy compared to my Dragonfly DAC. It sounds fine but when I switch to the Dragonfly it sounds FINER. ;)

post #6109 of 12308
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Originally Posted by DarrenTheGeek View Post
 

Its nice to join this group and open up a fresh new can of worms!  There was a four part series of articles in the Absolute Sound magazine by Dr. Charles Zeilig and Jay Clawson beginning in 2012. Some of what was written was rather "deep" and beyond my comprehension.  There was comparisons of FLAC to WAV files and FLAC to ALAC.  Some of a response string I found here: http://www.theabsolutesound.com/forums/profiles/5606/ but one of the later articles favored ALAC over FLAC. This was their opinion and not mine.  Since I'm mac-based I figured I'd go with ALAC files.  Why not?  But now Ive got a situation where DVD Audio Extractor ripped my DVD-A into ALACs and the X3 cannot play them through.  It chokes.  Conversely when I ripped some of my CDs into ALACs through iTunes, the X3 played them with ease.  Of course the DVD-A are vastly larger files than the CDs are but today I re-ripped the DVD-A into FLAC and the X3 played them perfectly. It leads me to believe ALACs birthed by DVD Audio Extractor gave the X3 hives....

 

The world would do well to ignore that four part series of articles IMHO. I read it all and I think it is people fooling themselves and desiring to fool you as well. That is as nice as I can put it. Bah.

Computer power cords making a difference in the sound quality or rips indeed.


Edited by aangen - 10/31/13 at 10:27pm
post #6110 of 12308
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Originally Posted by aangen View Post

The world would do well to ignore that four part series of articles IMHO. I read it all and I think it is people fooling themselves and desiring to fool you as well. That is as nice as I can put it. Bah.
Computer power cords making a difference in the sound quality or rips indeed.

I concur. Not to excuse the x3's problems with ALAC, but there is zero reason to believe a FLAC encoding of the same song won't sound as good.
post #6111 of 12308

All that said, are we still waiting on a fix for the X3 to play ALAC gapless?

And thanks for links to the tagging information guys!

post #6112 of 12308
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Originally Posted by sbradley02 View Post
 

This article should be required reading on Head-Fi. I don't think he gives enough emphasis to the "different sources" theory for perceived differences. I am willing to bet in many if not most cases, when people say they prefer high bitrate, they are comparing a CD or similar to a high bit download. The masters are almost guaranteed to be different. To really compare you would need to take the high bit file as a source and then down convert (being very careful that your down-conversion is being done properly).

 

Anyway, you will notice that the number one item he recommends for better sound is "buy better headphones" :bigsmile_face:

 

Yes, the Xiph-article is brilliant. They do have a problem though: they insist that the difference between 16/44.1 and 24/96 doesn´t exist - which isn´t true. It´s very small, but that´s not the same as 'non-existent'.

post #6113 of 12308
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Originally Posted by Marlene View Post

Yes, the Xiph-article is brilliant. They do have a problem though: they insist that the difference between 16/44.1 and 24/96 doesn´t exist - which isn´t true. It´s very small, but that´s not the same as 'non-existent'.

They acknowledge the difference is there. However, you kind of have to read between the lines to see what they are saying. 16/44.1 makes sense for listening and audibility purposes because as far as the physical limitations of human physiology goes, the most you can make use of is 22khz, and the most dynamic range you NEED is 16 bits, though 24 bits (while undoubtedly useful for added dynamic range) is entirely useless given the actual dynamic range of music. What they say is that 44.1 is without a doubt all you need because without a doubt, people cant hear over 22khz, and in some cases you might end up damaging the transducer trying to play higher frequencies on your transducers, assuming you dont have a 70khz capable BW 800 series diamond sitting in your living room.

For 24 bit, it WOULD be useful, but no one uses a full 24 bits of dynamic range. that is to say, the difference between the softest and loudest note is never so great that you really even need the full 24 bits to hold it.

HOWEVER! the increased sample rate and larger bit rate is extraordinarily useful for mixing and mastering because of how much "stuff" you have to do to the music before its all at the right volume levels, going through the right channels, and put through the correct DSP's for the correct stereo/multichannel imaging. Plus all the added digital effects.

And to add to the 16 bit argument, dont forget about dithering.
post #6114 of 12308

probably for most human ears, 99.99% there is no difference or there is no interest in finding this difference.

post #6115 of 12308

Has anyone who is using the x3 as dac had failed played in foobar? Even with some help from fiio tech support, I can not get the x3 to play music when using as dac. 

post #6116 of 12308
Hey matt,

make sure your foobar player settings are OK. Try setting it to directsound temporarily and see if it fixes anything, and restart computer too.
post #6117 of 12308
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Has anyone who is using the x3 as dac had failed played in foobar? Even with some help from fiio tech support, I can not get the x3 to play music when using as dac. 

I'm currently using Foobar to play music through it and it works without a flaw... Hows your Foobar set up? Any plugins and/or settings you did to your player?

post #6118 of 12308

Foobar is pretty stock. I've tried all the out put modes, including waspi event/push, direct sound. 

 

I've also tried music bee which seems pretty rock solid for playback. I do have the USB audio controller working in the system tray and the install went fine. But no music. :mad:

post #6119 of 12308
Guys, i tried formatting the microSD card using X3's formatter. plugged into windows. Once again I got that "scan/fix errors" warning. i let it happen, and it told me it managed to find and fix errors. I dont know what this is all about. It still says it is an FAT32 volume. Once this transfer is done (3 hours from now) I'll let you know how it goes.

James, little hope of this, but is there any way you can get your engineering team to speed up this thing's USB transfer rate? If this is a hardware limitation of cheap hardware, please use a nice and expensive USB 3.0 chip. I'd rather have performance at cost than to have this abysmally slow device. Its fine for one or two albums to transfer once in a blue moon but when you have a device with this many TF card problems, it is......bad.
post #6120 of 12308
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Originally Posted by shrimants View Post

Guys, i tried formatting the microSD card using X3's formatter. plugged into windows. Once again I got that "scan/fix errors" warning. i let it happen, and it told me it managed to find and fix errors. I dont know what this is all about. It still says it is an FAT32 volume. Once this transfer is done (3 hours from now) I'll let you know how it goes.

James, little hope of this, but is there any way you can get your engineering team to speed up this thing's USB transfer rate? If this is a hardware limitation of cheap hardware, please use a nice and expensive USB 3.0 chip. I'd rather have performance at cost than to have this abysmally slow device. Its fine for one or two albums to transfer once in a blue moon but when you have a device with this many TF card problems, it is......bad.

 

the USB transfer rate is limited by hardware, and very sorry, we can afford the new USB 3.0 untill the Soc can supports it, hope you can understand that now only Galaxy Note3 is supports USB 3.0.

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