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post #5746 of 13249
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Originally Posted by s0lar View Post

Yes, with the "to be released" firmware. It's an excellent DAP (and USB DAC). The beta testers reported few issues so I expect the fw to be available soon.

Will it only function as a usb dac or as a dac and amp? Im considering selling my e17 to fund the x3.
post #5747 of 13249
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Originally Posted by audioKyle View Post

Will it only function as a usb dac or as a dac and amp? Im considering selling my e17 to fund the x3.

Dac/amp, dac line out, dac coax out...

Gor for it after the new firmware becomes stable
post #5748 of 13249

Release it before the weekend ends. The weekends are quite busy for me.

post #5749 of 13249

aI cant seem to get Windows 8 to recognize the x3, works fine on 2 other Window 7 laptops. Did a scan for driver updates / uninstall and plugged back in but nothing's working. Any suggestions?

 

Anyways, had it for about 3 days and I can say except for the sound which is absolutely excellent and fantastic, the rest of the x3 software wise is just bad. 

No need for me to state my complains of whats been said over and again in this thread so far.

 

Fiio seriously, this is either a bloody rush job or your unit testers were corrupted to give you a ******** report on the usability, unless of course your only criteria was to have it turned on and churn out excellent sound.

 

Lags, tag reading and playlists! I want my playlists! Mediamonkey syncs it but doesnt show up in X3

 

The constant firmware updates are great though but definitely can be improved further. 

post #5750 of 13249
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Originally Posted by fonsecaj View Post
 

 

I'm aware of the limitations of FAT32 (<2TB volume/<4GB file size), but not of any problems that it causes.  Is this specific to the X3 or is there some general problem?  I actually use it quite frequently for specific things and never encountered any problems.  To be honest, I've had more issues with NTFS.

 

Last night I re-formatted a Sandisk 64 gig micro with FAT32 (Mac 10.9 Disk Utility) and it's working fine.  I'm afraid I'm missing out on some storage problem fun because both a 128 and a 64 seem to be ok for me.

 

I actually kind of like the X3 now and I think I'll keep it (using with Ety ER4S).  I think it easily blows away the stock AK100 I had for a few months.  It's not taking me long, but I'm learning to live with the UI limitations.  

 

The problem is not really about FAT32. SDHC was FAT32 but SDXC card standard expect exFAT by default, so any "SDXC compatible" device must support exFAT. Fiio X3 unofficially support SDXC cards by reformatting to FAT32. 

 

There is really nothing wrong with FAT32, but the concern is that it is a "legacy" format that is already getting phased out in most other sectors of computing.

If X3 had a built-in FAT32 SD card formatter function (like most digital cameras or smartphones do) then it should be fine to keep using FAT32.

The problem is when someone uses Windows, which doesn't offer FAT32 as one of the default format options for SDXC, then these people use other freeware to format the card, and some works fine, some don't. (Fiio does suggest a recommended formatter program, but many people did not bother seeing that). The whole process adds extra layer of confusion and some frustrated users.

 

The only two problems I can think of with FAT32 is that 4GB file limit will affect people playing a long 192kHz file (some people rip a whole album as one track, because they absolutely want to avoid gaps between tracks), and also the fact that I can't simply move my SDXC card across from my Android phone (which is exFAT and has all my music) and play it on X3 right away. I need to reformat to FAT32 and transfer the songs again. 


Edited by sandalaudio - 10/19/13 at 12:44pm
post #5751 of 13249
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Originally Posted by queerquirks View Post
 

aI cant seem to get Windows 8 to recognize the x3, works fine on 2 other Window 7 laptops. Did a scan for driver updates / uninstall and plugged back in but nothing's working. Any suggestions?

 

Anyways, had it for about 3 days and I can say except for the sound which is absolutely excellent and fantastic, the rest of the x3 software wise is just bad. 

No need for me to state my complains of whats been said over and again in this thread so far.

 

Fiio seriously, this is either a bloody rush job or your unit testers were corrupted to give you a ******** report on the usability, unless of course your only criteria was to have it turned on and churn out excellent sound.

 

Lags, tag reading and playlists! I want my playlists! Mediamonkey syncs it but doesnt show up in X3

 

The constant firmware updates are great though but definitely can be improved further. 

What firmware are you running first of all?

 

Second of all, most Windows 8 users are getting the device to be recognized on their computers. If the X3 works on your Windows 7 laptop, then most liklely, something in your Win 8 computer is messing up.

 

This is the most common/likely problem but of course, it may be firmware or some setting in the X3 that is messing it up with working with Win 8 although the chance is unlikely.

 

You must not have gone to engineering, business or IT school. 

All of your points are VERY accurate from a consumer standpoint. But from a business standpoint make no sense. 

post #5752 of 13249

I am using it with Win 8.1 without any issues.

 

Line out volume seems to be too loud to me. Can it be set a couple of levels lower ?

post #5753 of 13249
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Originally Posted by psygeist View Post
 

I am using it with Win 8.1 without any issues.

 

Line out volume seems to be too loud to me. Can it be set a couple of levels lower ?

It can not.

 

James of FiiO explained the line out and the reason for it already. I do not remember his answer sorry.

post #5754 of 13249
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Originally Posted by psygeist View Post

I am using it with Win 8.1 without any issues.

Line out volume seems to be too loud to me. Can it be set a couple of levels lower ?

http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?MenuID=105026016

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_level#Nominal_levels

Seems like the Fiio X3 is about 0.5VRMS too hot for true line level. though I feel like i've heard that regular line level voltages are fine as long as they're between 1-2vrms. Huge range, i know.
post #5755 of 13249

Any word when the new firmware will finally be available?

post #5756 of 13249
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Originally Posted by good sound View Post
 

Any word when the new firmware will finally be available?

IT was delayed. Last I heard, in a week or two.

 

The beta team and I have noted quite a few problems.

 

You do NOT want to use it right now.

post #5757 of 13249
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post
 

What firmware are you running first of all?

 

Second of all, most Windows 8 users are getting the device to be recognized on their computers. If the X3 works on your Windows 7 laptop, then most liklely, something in your Win 8 computer is messing up.

 

This is the most common/likely problem but of course, it may be firmware or some setting in the X3 that is messing it up with working with Win 8 although the chance is unlikely.

 

You must not have gone to engineering, business or IT school. 

All of your points are VERY accurate from a consumer standpoint. But from a business standpoint make no sense. 

Currently running 1.31.

 

I assumed it was a problem with my Win8 too but not if only the x3 cant connect.

Its only a week old for the laptop and just got Win8.1 OTA, all my other external devices have no problem though. 

Any particulars settings to set within the player itself but it should just be plug and play right.

 

hmmm, I actually am from a business background which is why i cant get my head around the x3 problems. Did the operations department got a batch of supppliers that wasnt up to standards? Did the marketing people hire the wrong unit testers? Did the software side ran into coding problems but sales decided to jump the gun and release it?

 

Anyway my point is, X3 AS A WHOLE PACKAGE isnt like the other fiio products eg E5 or E17 amps where consumers or I, rather, had the impression which i thought was brilliant. 

Sound yes, software no. Im not expecting apple / googles cutting edge software tweaks but at least be decent. Did the engineers think the software was decent? Seriously? 

 

How about you, which industry/ sector are you in and kindly bring me up to speed on how your industry feel about the x3?

Anyway, I spent about half year in Shanghai for work and nowhere during that period did the chinese gave the impression that it was really smart good business to actually release half baked software, albeit with fantastic hardware. If thats what you meant about your business standpoint, i do hope you clarify. 

post #5758 of 13249

I wish there didn't have to be one monolithic thread on the X3.  Buying the thing and then having to sift through a now 384 page thread to try to glean info on the ins and outs of it is a drag.

 

Maybe if head-fi allowed device-specific sub-forums like XDA it might be more efficient so there could be threads dedicated to each of the myriad topics discussed in the almost 6000 posts on this thread.  I guess maybe people prefer it this way or it would have been already set up like that.

 

Just a thought...

post #5759 of 13249
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Originally Posted by queerquirks View Post
 

Currently running 1.31.

 

I assumed it was a problem with my Win8 too but not if only the x3 cant connect.

Its only a week old for the laptop and just got Win8.1 OTA, all my other external devices have no problem though. 

Any particulars settings to set within the player itself but it should just be plug and play right.

 

hmmm, I actually am from a business background which is why i cant get my head around the x3 problems. Did the operations department got a batch of supppliers that wasnt up to standards? Did the marketing people hire the wrong unit testers? Did the software side ran into coding problems but sales decided to jump the gun and release it?

 

Anyway my point is, X3 AS A WHOLE PACKAGE isnt like the other fiio products eg E5 or E17 amps where consumers or I, rather, had the impression which i thought was brilliant. 

Sound yes, software no. Im not expecting apple / googles cutting edge software tweaks but at least be decent. Did the engineers think the software was decent? Seriously? 

 

How about you, which industry/ sector are you in and kindly bring me up to speed on how your industry feel about the x3?

Anyway, I spent about half year in Shanghai for work and nowhere during that period did the chinese gave the impression that it was really smart good business to actually release half baked software, albeit with fantastic hardware. If thats what you meant about your business standpoint, i do hope you clarify. 

It sounds to be a problem with your computer.

 

My review included me not liking the initial UI. I have grown accustomed to the UI now and with its improvements. But I will agree in that the UI has lots of problems.

 

However, I don't hold it against them. No company right now has a good UI, iRiver, iBasso, Colorfly, and FiiO's DAP's all have one big big complaint from their users. Can you guess what it is? Yeah. UI

 

I'm currently studying Business, Entrepreneurship, and Computer Engineering and have spent time in the IT and computer repair sector. My main focus right now is on technical based startups.

 

The product wasn't half baked as much as it wasn't skinned well. A DAP costs a lot of money and FiiO has already had to end the project in the past. 

 

One of the biggest things taught to us is that in situations like that where you aren't a million dollar company. There must be a line you must draw to release the product and use consumer feedback to help fix it. Obviously this is part of the early adopter problem everyone faces.

post #5760 of 13249

I didn't even update and I got no problem with the firmware/ui.  The only problem I got is buffering which sometimes skips the first couple of seconds of a track that I manually go to. 

 

I think some people are just turning a mole hill into a mountain.

 

Also, are you using the original cable that came with the x3?  I knew a really smart guy who had problems with his x3 and swore that it was broken/had a virus or something.  Eventually he found out that he was just using a usb cable that looked like the one provided with the x3, but never bothered to swap.  I did the same thing, but only took me 2 seconds to figure it out.  It took this guy almost a month, after I told him to use the original x3 usb cable.


Edited by chengsta - 10/19/13 at 9:00pm
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