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post #4186 of 17125
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Originally Posted by noxa View Post

This should have enough power to run 32ohm cans well without an external amp right?

Even a Clip+ can do that....lol

post #4187 of 17125
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

Even a Clip+ can do that....lol


I meant actually run them to a good level of quality, my ipod mini plays my Mad Dogs with decent volume but i wouldn't want to listen to it like that.
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I've noticed that FiiO's servers are having a hard time with the downloads right now(extremely slow). I re-uploaded 1.25EN to

 

MediaFire

 

MEGA
 

This should download considerably faster. It took me about 2 minutes to download from FiiO's site but about 5 seconds from those two links(granted I have 3.8MB/s download if the server can sustain it etc etc) 

post #4189 of 17125
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Allow me a moment to be the few to put down the X3 for what it isn't great at. (Its pros are mentioned everywhere if u need 1)
To give people a better idea of what DAP they are getting and what's to be sacrificed at that pricing.

I've found X3 to pair badly with IEMs in general.
Because of the power of the amp section or some had mentioned, line out is pretty loud.
This means that every step of the volume is quite a big step compared to the ak100/120 or even Neutron app on mobile phones.
It could be due to the dac or amp, either way, it makes driving huge cans well.

I've also found that the vocals/midrange are quite forward, making for bad pairings especially for IEM that has forward vocals/mids as well,
gives off a "in your face" kind of effect, however, pair well for laid back cans/iems.

3rdly, warm sounding, because so, I've found details to be left out, as well as a more congested soundstage.

It seemed ClieOS's mod has addressed these issues in the event u find the sound not well to your liking like I do/ bad pairing with ur current IEM.
But that also means perhaps voiding the warranty by opening it up and modding. 
Additional, an amp can be used thru line out, but kind of defeat the purpose of having a small DAP.

Overall, found it value for money, but I didn't think the amp section showed the potential of the player. 
P.S. just my 2cents, overall it just didnt went well with my IEM and others considering the X3 can consider my points.
If the amplifier used is one of the amps made for IEM/CIEM's specifically(Heir Rendition for example), then the FiiO's line out should not be an issue

The forward quality of the X3 does not mean it is only a problem with forward IEM's. Some headphones with already very present forward vocals and upper mids may also be at a disadvantage with the X3(not always).

Really, for the 3 things you just mentioned, they are general qualites any IEM could or could not have and any headphone could or could not have with pairings that may not work.

So rather than saying X3 doesn't work with IEM's, it would be more accurate to say,
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X3 does not work with IEM ____ because IEM____ has present forward vocals and is a unit specializing in detail that the X3 will thus work counter intuitively in. Amp___ being used with IEM ___ does not pair well with the X3 as the X3 inputs a bit too much to the amp. So I guess I'll find another amp that works more specifically for IEMs or made for low driving and volume blanacing at low levels.
 
However The X3 works well with another IEM of mine because it adds a bit of warmth to it that makes songs more enjoyable, my IEM is not sensitive so the X3 has no issue with it, and the forwardness of the X3 compliments it.


And yes, an external amp does make the small DAP a bit counter intuitive for some but hey, this is Head-fi. Where it is common for users to buy stuff that defeats the purpose of everything else they buy with uber FLAC's jammed into their phones while using their $50 earphones with a $300 amp paired with another amp. 
Hey Panda Man, I agree with you that discussing individual pairings would be much more useful than general impressions. Would you consider hosting a side thread, "Fiio x3 pairings" that provides specific pairing impressions and a simple rating such as - 1) poor, 2) ok but heard better, 3) good but does't necessarily stand out, 4) excellent pairing, 5) best I have heard. I am getting lost in ui impressions/issues rather than sound in this thread unfortunately.
post #4190 of 17125

Sorry, but I would not be interested due to new time constraints. This is however a free forum so feel free to start one up yourself biggrin.gif.

 

FiiO's sound is pretty 'universal' and already quite well described. Sound is the biggest thing in regular products. But this is a DAP so that is probably why UI is taking a front row seat.

post #4191 of 17125
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post

 

yes , that is why we may decrease the output power for X5, so we can get better battery life and not so hot .

That's fine by me, I got a ciem and I felt like I will never go to full sized headphones anymore, ciems are wonderful and not easy to drive either.

post #4192 of 17125
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post

 

yes , that is why we may decrease the output power for X5, so we can get better battery life and not so hot .

Sorry to hear this, I won't be an X5 customer then, but I am definitely in the minority with hard to drive headphones.

post #4193 of 17125
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Originally Posted by sbradley02 View Post

Sorry to hear this, I won't be an X5 customer then, but I am definitely in the minority with hard to drive headphones.

May I recommend an amp then? I mean a DAP in the end is just a DAP and most audiophile DAP's don't have that much power by themselves and thus have line outs. 

post #4194 of 17125
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

May I recommend an amp then? I mean a DAP in the end is just a DAP and most audiophile DAP's don't have that much power by themselves and thus have line outs. 


+1. That's more important for real life usage. Getting hot and low battery life are not something we want.

post #4195 of 17125
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Originally Posted by sbradley02 View Post

Sorry to hear this, I won't be an X5 customer then, but I am definitely in the minority with hard to drive headphones.

What cans did you have in mind?

post #4196 of 17125
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Originally Posted by hoichi View Post

What cans did you have in mind?
I have Thunderpants which are modified Fostex orthos. I may replace them if Audeze releases their closed back phones. The X3 output seems adequate from my initial listening but for any future player I would want more power not less. I find myself turning up the X3 almost all the way with gain set to high on some tracks. It is possible I will go back to a stack someday but I hate the idea. Too much of a pain on the plane. If I were to do this the ALO National would be my front runner.
Edited by sbradley02 - 8/17/13 at 12:36pm
post #4197 of 17125
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Originally Posted by sbradley02 View Post


I have Thunderpants which are modified Fostex orthos. I may replace them if Audeze releases their closed back phones. The X3 output seems adequate from my initial listening but for any future player I would want more power not less. I find myself turning up the X3 almost all the way with gain set to high on some tracks. It is possible I will go back to a stack someday but I hate the idea. Too much of a pain on the plane. If I were to do this the ALO National would be my front runner.

Well, there are some guys at the Alpha Dogs thread looking for a portable amp to properly drive T50RP mods and nobody's sure if there is any. For instance, they say E12 is too weak for Mad Dogs (which might or might not be a little less effective than the Thunderpants due to different damping but still share the same drivers).

Point being, orthos are considered pretty hard to drive properly so even just an amp capable to drive them on the go is not so easy to implement. And the X5 has a transport and a DAC on board as well, and it has to keep its price, its size and its battery life under control.

So, I'm very interested in orthos myself but I don't expect to be driving them to their full potential with just a portable DAP. Not for the next couple of years, at least popcorn.gif


Edited by hoichi - 8/17/13 at 1:36pm
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Hello,

 

I am using Sony MDA-MA900 and Audio Technica ATH-ES7. May anyone advice if it's worth upgrading to X3 from my current Cowon D2+ in terms of sound quality?

post #4199 of 17125
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post

Does the x3 play m4b (audiobook files)?  I'm guessing not.


Just a bump as it seems to have got missed on the last page or so.

 

 

Thanks

post #4200 of 17125
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Originally Posted by hoichi View Post

Well, there are some guys at the Alpha Dogs thread looking for a portable amp to properly drive T50RP mods and nobody's sure if there is any. For instance, they say E12 is too weak for Mad Dogs (which might or might not be a little less effective than the Thunderpants due to different damping but still share the same drivers).
Point being, orthos are considered pretty hard to drive properly so even just an amp capable to drive them on the go is not so easy to implement. And the X5 has a transport and a DAC on board as well, and it has to keep its price, its size and its battery life under control.
So, I'm very interested in orthos myself but I don't expect to be driving them to their full potential with just a portable DAP. Not for the next couple of years, at least popcorn.gif
I am sure the Mad Dogs are comparable. And yes orthos are a bear to drive. But the sound is just so attractive. And I definitely realize my use case is at the far end of the bell curve. The X3 alone definitely out drives my Colorfly C4. I just noticed that the E12 has over 3 times the power of the X3 which makes it one of the highest powered portable amps, period. Regardless of what others have said about it, it is cheap enough to make it an inexpensive experiment. I ordered one from Amazon and it will be here in time for my trip. If I find it makes no difference I should be able to resell it without too much loss.

EDIT - I read the Alpha Dogs thread and a number of people who actually tried it said the E12 pairs well - at least some of the people who said it won't work, don't seem to have actually tried it. And one compared the E12 directly to the National which I was interested in, and said the E12 was a better match.
Edited by sbradley02 - 8/17/13 at 7:59pm
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