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post #2701 of 17125
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Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

#YOLO bro.

 

I paid $206. It's funny cause I have a ton of USD cash in my bank but paypal does not allow me to upload it from a canadian institution. Whatever. If I were to order it from the local dealer, I would've paid $230 with the taxes included.  What's the worst that can happen if I get dinged by customs? 

 

You could pay an extra $20-40 in fees and possibly have to wait an extra week to a month to take care of it and get your item depending on your customs regulations. 

I'm crossing my fingers for you. beerchug.gif

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I live in the us, and I've ordered stuff from canada, uk, japan, and china and I've never been hit with customs/duty fees.

 

Although I've only used usps until now.

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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

I'm just a bit confused why that particular player is considered a "benchmark" for other companies to follow.

Seems pretty obvious. For $30, the Clip+ offers a solid implementation for DAPs costing $100 or less. Sure would be nice if half the phones and tablets would do the same job.

I have high hopes that the X3 will do the same thing for DAPs costing $300 or less and provide better SQ than any phone or tablet. That would be another nice benchmark to set smily_headphones1.gif
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


Seems pretty obvious. For $30, the Clip+ offers a solid implementation for DAPs costing $100 or less. Sure would be nice if half the phones and tablets would do the same job.

I have high hopes that the X3 will do the same thing for DAPs costing $300 or less and provide better SQ than any phone or tablet. That would be another nice benchmark to set smily_headphones1.gif

 

True, the Clip+ does have good value, and is a good source for $30... no arguement here. I hope the X3 does the same. The price is great, and I see some people who have it enjoy the sound even though they have much more expensive equipment. Good to hear. 


Edited by Greed - 7/6/13 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by chengsta View Post

I live in the us, and I've ordered stuff from canada, uk, japan, and china and I've never been hit with customs/duty fees.

 

Although I've only used usps until now.

 

Yeah, it's because USPS stuff is delivered within the UK by Royal Mail. They only stop a percentage of the parcels that come through the customs.

 

This is in contrast to DHL, UPS, etc. who all know the value of the item right from the word go (unless the sender mis-declared the value), and they keep hold of the parcel from beginning to end of the entire shipping journey. They screw 99% of parcels, because they have dedicated departments for customs fees, and because they have almost total control over the entire adventure of the parcel. When the sender sends it from their country, UPS or DHL already know, in the UK, how much they're going to charge you for customs duty / VAT etc. As the recipient, you're doomed right from the outset, and there's no escape!   frown.gif

 

 

USPS, or China Post etc. gives you a 50-50 chance of escaping, and it sounds like your batting average is unusually high, thus far! wink_face.gif

 

 

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Edited by Mython - 7/6/13 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

True, the Clip+ does have good value, and is a good source for $30... no arguement here. I hope the X3 does the same. The price is great, and I see some people who have it enjoy the sound even though they have much more expensive equipment. Good to hear. 

No. The clip+ is good, full stop. You've yet to tell me where it falls short, via pm or here.
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Originally Posted by Kamakahah View Post

 

You could pay an extra $20-40 in fees and possibly have to wait an extra week to a month to take care of it and get your item depending on your customs regulations. 

I'm crossing my fingers for you. beerchug.gif

FEDEX is fast on that account. Whatever. Learning experience. If we get dinged this time, never will I order using fedex again. 

 

$20-$40 of extra fees is fine since I would've have to paid 15% tax in Canada anyways. 

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I don't mind the fees, since shipping overseas usually costs $20-30 anyway, which i didn't pay for.

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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

 

There's only been a handful of reported "bugs". Every DAP goes through growing pains...

 

"i mean seriously Fiio, people are paying a lot here" - Not really... the X3 is really cheap for its capabilities (haven't heard it yet so will hold off on SQ judgement). You can't even buy a new iPod for $200. Also, I'm not sure why some think the Clip+ is some benchmark for what every company should be striving towards. To the enthusiast, it sounds horrible and in stock form is not functional and has really low capacity. You have to install a aftermarket firmware/software for it to even give you basic features. 

 

To me, it seems like customers are getting a lot for $200 with the X3. You have to compromise, with all DAPs. 

That is very true.  Even Cowon has a reputation for lots of firmware updates to squish bugs on "released" DAPs.  While they have added some fantastic features to some players (gapless on the D2, anyone?), they are also notorious for leaving some nagging issues unresolved in multiple players (4000 file/folder restriction, anyone).

 

Be that as it may, these Cowon, Fiio, and companies like that are to be commended for at least trying to squish bugs through firmware updates unlike some companies that hide under the excuse, "Oh, that's a feature" or "You're holding it wrong".

Truth is, we (consumers) are in part to blame because we want it NOW and are too impatient to wait for the bugs to be worked out.  Of course, some companies are to blame as well for making "disposable" goods and moving on to "the next big thing" instead of focusing on putting out a quality product (or OS or UI) that lasts a little longer.

 

As usual, all this is IMHO, and YMMV...wink_face.gif

 

Cheers and all the Best!beerchug.gif

-HK sends

 

PS - I've owned six Cowons DAPs over five years...I think I can speak a little about them.

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post


No. The clip+ is good, full stop. You've yet to tell me where it falls short, via pm or here.

 

PM Sent.

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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

PM Sent.


Does anyone else think this is justification enough to call the clip+ horrible?

(I can't quote from my phone, so here is the content of his PM).

Seems like you have the patience of a small child so I'll try to roughly explain what I mean by horrible. First of all the Clip+ can't play half my music library due to its limitation of music formats and quality rates. Before you jump down my throat again, I understand you can play 24 bit music with rockbox firmware, but it is downsampled, which I don't like. I don't like neither upsampling nor downsampling, which is why I got rid of my NAD M51 DAC. So... right off the bat that doesn't help when trying to gauge the SQ of the player. Second problem I have with the Clip is the amp section. It can drive most IEMs fine, but once you use full-sized headphones (even easy to drive cans like the D7K or TH-600/TH-900), the device quickly feels lacking in both body and weight. Notes don't sound as natural and the lose of clarity is evident. Like I said, the DAC chip in the Clip is pretty good, so like I said as a source, sure I can see owning a Clip+ for a workout rig or whatnot. As far as pure SQ goes, no in comparison to the DAPs I've heard such as the RWAK100, DX100, AK120, HM801, HM602... no I don't think it comes close. Every single one of those DAPs does everything better. From bass refinement to detail retrieval. I don't see my opinion changing yours, and I don't think you are respectful enough to understand mine. Plus, as long as we are going to throw around blanket statements, I don't think you have heard much better than mid-fi setup, so how would you know what you are missing? (no cruel intentions at all, just an observation). You treat people like they are nothing but mindless animals without thoughts of their own. I was expressing mine, just like you expressed yours.

End of pm.

I would go into detail about why 24 bit music is unnecessary, but I have the patience of a small child. Then your comment about the amp section truly made me laugh. Enjoy your other sources, and I hope the x3 drives the hd800 to satisfaction for you.

Btw, have a look at my profile and look at my gear and the pictures of gear that're not in my profile list to see how little I've heard. wink.gif
Edited by eke2k6 - 7/6/13 at 4:19pm
post #2713 of 17125
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post


Does anyone else think this is justification enough to call the clip+ horrible?

(I can't quote from my phone, so here is the content of his PM).

Seems like you have the patience of a small child so I'll try to roughly explain what I mean by horrible. First of all the Clip+ can't play half my music library due to its limitation of music formats and quality rates. Before you jump down my throat again, I understand you can play 24 bit music with rockbox firmware, but it is downsampled, which I don't like. I don't like neither upsampling nor downsampling, which is why I got rid of my NAD M51 DAC. So... right off the bat that doesn't help when trying to gauge the SQ of the player. Second problem I have with the Clip is the amp section. It can drive most IEMs fine, but once you use full-sized headphones (even easy to drive cans like the D7K or TH-600/TH-900), the device quickly feels lacking in both body and weight. Notes don't sound as natural and the lose of clarity is evident. Like I said, the DAC chip in the Clip is pretty good, so like I said as a source, sure I can see owning a Clip+ for a workout rig or whatnot. As far as pure SQ goes, no in comparison to the DAPs I've heard such as the RWAK100, DX100, AK120, HM801, HM602... no I don't think it comes close. Every single one of those DAPs does everything better. From bass refinement to detail retrieval. I don't see my opinion changing yours, and I don't think you are respectful enough to understand mine. Plus, as long as we are going to throw around blanket statements, I don't think you have heard much better than mid-fi setup, so how would you know what you are missing? (no cruel intentions at all, just an observation). You treat people like they are nothing but mindless animals without thoughts of their own. I was expressing mine, just like you expressed yours.

End of pm.

I would go into detail about why 24 bit music is unnecessary, but I have the patience of a small child. Then your comment about the amp section truly made me laugh. Enjoy your other sources, and I hope the x3 drives the hd800 to satisfaction for you.

Btw, have a look at my profile and look at my gear and the pictures of gear that're not in my profile list to see how little I've heard. wink.gif

 

How professional of you. Never did I say I was going to drive my HD800 from a Clip, so I'm glad you have resulted to putting words in my mouth. I would much like to see information that states that 24 bit music is "unnecessary". You would be solving countless issues that audiophiles struggle with bad recordings and mastering qualities. Who needs SACDs or binaural recordings for a reference source. rolleyes.gif So I'm guessing you use those banging 256-bit iTunes songs for testing eh? You are only confirming exactly what I said in my PM. You can't simply accept the fact that someone else disagrees with you... hilarious, right?


Edited by Greed - 7/6/13 at 4:33pm
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@eke2k6, what are you trying to achieve here? People believe what they choose to believe, regardless of whether it is nonsensical or not. 

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