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post #1666 of 17125

X3 shipped on it's way to me :) Ordered from audiothinker(ebay). Will take a while I guess...

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The only time I want gapless playback is when I'm listening to an album, beginning to end.  So, the implementation is fine by me...

post #1668 of 17125
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Originally Posted by sashua View Post

James,

Can you chime in please and clear up the matter of gapless playback?


Somebody doesn't listen to Pink Floyd tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by batteraziiz View Post


Somebody doesn't listen to Pink Floyd tongue.gif

 

 

LOL! - yes, I learned long ago that making my own playlist of Pink Floyd tracks is a waste of time, since most of their older tracks blend into one another, gaplessly! hahaha  tongue.gif

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Somebody doesn't listen to Pink Floyd tongue.gif

+1 here, a must for Pink Floyd and for a lot of classical symphonies, too. But here too, album play would work just fine.

post #1671 of 17125
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Originally Posted by bearFNF View Post

+1 here, a must for Pink Floyd and for a lot of classical symphonies, too. But here too, album play would work just fine.

 

Could someone explain exactly what "Album play" means? 

 

Does it require the use of "tagged" files in cumbersome software like Media Monkey, or will it also work with a regular file folder containing flac files in this format?:

 

Folder name:

Artist Name 2013 - Album Title

 

File names inside folder:

 

01 - Track 1

02 - Track 2

03 - Track 3

post #1672 of 17125
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Originally Posted by njtc View Post

Agree, way too much neediness happening in this thread.

It was already confirmed that gapless works via album playback mode which makes sense. It may be convenient for it to work via file browser but not a deal breaker.

James is obviously working hard to make a lot of people happy by creating a full featured dap at an affordable price point. It's certainly not easy to please everyone. It takes time and money to refine products and usability.

I think we can do without the threats of "I refuse to buy your product unless you implement this feature the way I want it". If everyone makes these requests it would be impossible to satisfy them all.

I for one will be buying one and I appreciate the fact that fiio does involve the community in order to bring a product to the masses that will satisfy the majority.

 

Sorry, but you are way off base here.  It's not a matter of people threatening to refuse to buy the product if some obscure feature is not included.  Gapless playback is so basic and elemental that it is inconceivable to me that anyone would even bring a player to market without this functionality. 

 

Moreover, this thread is several months old, and there is another thread on this product that goes back much further.  One of the first questions raised was whether the X3 will support gapless playback.  The answer given was YES.  The answer was not "Yes, but only in 'Album playback mode" or "Yes, but only with tagged files." 

 

Further, the inference that implementing gapless playback is somehow complicated or price prohibitive is unpersuasive.  If Sansa can implement gaplesss playback flawlessly in the $24 Clip, then it can certainly be done at any price point.  What is most perplexing to me is the fact that gapless playback is native to lossless formats like FLAC.  So I don't undestand exactly what these DAPs are doing that is proactively adding a gap between tracks on playback.  

 

I think everyone here loves and fully supports FiiO as a manufacturer based on all of their previous products.  That's why it's so diappointing that their first DAP would be brought to market with such a serious liability.  Of course, I will reserve final judgment until I understand more about what "Album play" mode is, and whether it would require me to use "tagged" files. 

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Originally Posted by jj69 View Post

 

Sorry, but you are way off base here.  It's not a matter of people threatening to refuse to buy the product if some obscure feature is not included.  Gapless playback is so basic and elemental that it is inconceivable to me that anyone would even bring a player to market without this functionality. 

 

Moreover, this thread is several months old, and there is another thread on this product that goes back much further.  One of the first questions raised was whether the X3 will support gapless playback.  The answer given was YES.  The answer was not "Yes, but only in 'Album playback mode" or "Yes, but only with tagged files." 

 

Further, the inference that implementing gapless playback is somehow complicated or price prohibitive is unpersuasive.  If Sansa can implement gaplesss playback flawlessly in the $24 Clip, then it can certainly be done at any price point.  What is most perplexing to me is the fact that gapless playback is native to lossless formats like FLAC.  So I don't undestand exactly what these DAPs are doing that is proactively adding a gap between tracks on playback.  

 

I think everyone here loves and fully supports FiiO as a manufacturer based on all of their previous products.  That's why it's so diappointing that their first DAP would be brought to market with such a serious liability.  Of course, I will reserve final judgment until I understand more about what "Album play" mode is, and whether it would require me to use "tagged" files. 

 

The Sansa Clip has maybe matches 3 of the features the X3 has, so yes price has a lot to do with what is featured in a product. 

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The Sansa Clip has maybe matches 3 of the features the X3 has, so yes price has a lot to do with what is featured in a product. 

 

You are missing the point entirely.  I never said features were not a determining factor in the price of a product.  I said this specific feature (gapless playback), if it can be imlpemented in a $24 player, should not be too costly or complex to implement in a more expensive player.  

 

Besides, if a basic elemental feature like gapless playback insn't implemented properly, then why even discuss the other features?  Get the basics right first. 

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Gapless is supported,...the question has been answered. It would only work while playing back an "album" so the implementation is correct. I don't see why this is becoming a debate over semantics - again.
post #1676 of 17125
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Originally Posted by tds101 View Post

Gapless is supported,...the question has been answered. It would only work while playing back an "album" so the implementation is correct. I don't see why this is becoming a debate over semantics - again.


Who decides what is "correct"? 

 

Why doesn't "correct implementation" include gapless playback in file mode? 

 

And all of the questions have not been answered.  Specifically, does "album playback" require tagged files? 

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I think album playback requires files to be properly tagged. In fact some of my albums are now grouped under 'Unknown Album' after I updated the library on my X3 yesterday rolleyes.gif

 

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Originally Posted by jj69 View Post


Who decides what is "correct"? 

 

Why doesn't "correct implementation" include gapless playback in file mode? 

 

And all of the questions have not been answered.  Specifically, does "album playback" require tagged files? 

post #1678 of 17125
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Originally Posted by jj69 View Post

Sorry, but you are way off base here.  It's not a matter of people threatening to refuse to buy the product if some obscure feature is not included.  Gapless playback is so basic and elemental that it is inconceivable to me that anyone would even bring a player to market without this functionality. 

Moreover, this thread is several months old, and there is another thread on this product that goes back much further.  One of the first questions raised was whether the X3 will support gapless playback.  The answer given was YES.  The answer was not "Yes, but only in 'Album playback mode" or "Yes, but only with tagged files." 

Further, the inference that implementing gapless playback is somehow complicated or price prohibitive is unpersuasive.  If Sansa can implement gaplesss playback flawlessly in the $24 Clip, then it can certainly be done at any price point.  What is most perplexing to me is the fact that gapless playback is native to lossless formats like FLAC.  So I don't undestand exactly what these DAPs are doing that is proactively adding a gap between tracks on playback.  

I think everyone here loves and fully supports FiiO as a manufacturer based on all of their previous products.  That's why it's so diappointing that their first DAP would be brought to market with such a serious liability.  Of course, I will reserve final judgment until I understand more about what "Album play" mode is, and whether it would require me to use "tagged" files. 

No one said that its cost prohibitive to implement gapless playback. I merely made the point that it takes time and money to refine a product and even though it was already confirmed that gapless works the conversation continues.

The reality is that we shouldn't really be complaining about a product that isn't even in our hands yet and the software is still a work in progress. Once there is a user base and all details are known about how everything works then constructive criticism can be made and at that time additional suggestions can be made for future firmware releases.
Edited by njtc - 6/13/13 at 6:49pm
post #1679 of 17125
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Originally Posted by njtc View Post

The reality is that we shouldn't really be complaining about a product that isn't even in our hands yet and the software is still a work in progress. Once there is a user base and all details are known about how everything works then constructive criticism can be made and at that time additional suggestions can be made for future firmware releases.

 

Normally, I would be inclined to agree with you.  However, James already stated in Post #1654 that gapless playback, at least in file browser format, cannot be fixed.  So it does not appear that it is something a future firmware update could remedy.  :(

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Originally Posted by jj69 View Post

 

Sorry, but you are way off base here.  It's not a matter of people threatening to refuse to buy the product if some obscure feature is not included.  Gapless playback is so basic and elemental that it is inconceivable to me that anyone would even bring a player to market without this functionality. 

 

Moreover, this thread is several months old, and there is another thread on this product that goes back much further.  One of the first questions raised was whether the X3 will support gapless playback.  The answer given was YES.  The answer was not "Yes, but only in 'Album playback mode" or "Yes, but only with tagged files." 

 

Further, the inference that implementing gapless playback is somehow complicated or price prohibitive is unpersuasive.  If Sansa can implement gaplesss playback flawlessly in the $24 Clip, then it can certainly be done at any price point.  What is most perplexing to me is the fact that gapless playback is native to lossless formats like FLAC.  So I don't undestand exactly what these DAPs are doing that is proactively adding a gap between tracks on playback.  

 

I think everyone here loves and fully supports FiiO as a manufacturer based on all of their previous products.  That's why it's so diappointing that their first DAP would be brought to market with such a serious liability.  Of course, I will reserve final judgment until I understand more about what "Album play" mode is, and whether it would require me to use "tagged" files. 

 

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