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post #11446 of 12934
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Originally Posted by BruceBanner View Post

SNIP... Anyway, before I read about this I also read somewhere else that other users were having more success having their tracks implented to the id3 library (categories?) by having ONE folder and all the music files within (what a mess). But oddly it was working for many users with ALL the files being seen. Worth a shot. Use some 'Search' program, search for *.mp3 etc within yer main music folder, then copy the results to a new destination and then copy that across to the sd card. ...SNIP

Say what? Yes, the library file limit sucks, but that sounds like a really bad solution. Better to just keep good file/folder hierarchy and rely on folder browsing,
IMHO.
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Yeh possibly, I guess it all depends on how you like to browse. I would prolly agree with you, folder browsing in this case better than id3.

post #11448 of 12934
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Originally Posted by BruceBanner View Post
 

 

This is the first I have heard about the 5800 track limit. WOW... that is awful. Just when I think I am being limited by Cowon's 8000 file limit, Fiio do this?! X3 and X5 can take 128-256gb storage, can only read 5800 tracks?! wtf?

Well, Bruce, these Chinese kids are thinking hi-res with all this exotic technology they're doing. So, let's say average track length is 3 min. OK 192K samples per second x 24 bits x 60 seconds per minute x 3 minutes = 829.44 Mbits / 8 bits per byte = 103.68 MB per track.  128GB/103.68MB = 1,234 tracks. So you see, there are more than enough tracks available.

BTW class 10 cards are only necessary for hi-res. For mp3 class 4 cards are well beyond the byte rate that would occur playing them.


Edited by MicroEuphoneum - 7/13/14 at 3:01pm
post #11449 of 12934

Yeh I do realise from a hi res perspective it's enough, but still...

I thought Cowon's 8000 file limit was bad enough.

 

Recap on X3

 

1) Poorly integrated Favorites feature whereby you can only add single track at a time via NPS

2) No M3u Support

3) 5800 file limit

4) 10-15hr battery life

5) Bulky unit.

 

 

My Cowon i9+ has;

 

1) Favorites implemented better, able to add entire folders and subfolders in one click (tho to be fair does have a 256 max file limit, tho in reality this doesn't bother me)

2) M3U support (no file limit)

3) 8000 file limit

4) 30hr battery life

5) 40g (in weight)

6) Cheaper

 

Now I'm not completely hating on the X3. I am always interested to try new things. I look at the 'Hi Res' aspect of the Player as a feature I would like to try out, but when the player falls short in so many other aspects it's hard for someone like me to make the gamble and give it a go.

post #11450 of 12934
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Originally Posted by x RELIC x View Post

The potential fix for the 5800 song limit in category view (doesn't affect folder browsing) is to put the library index on the mSD card therefore bypassing the internal memory (RAM) limit. Fiio has stated this is possible, but no ETA yet.

The internal memory limit is 7GB. I'm absolutely positive that enough of that can be reserved to hold a much larger ID3 table than 5800 entries. So let's say one ID3 entry takes 1KB, seems reasonable. Let's demand a 50K song limit for ID3 table. Now you have 500M used by ID3 and 6.5G left for internal storage of songs. Not a huge difference considering the massive libraries users are putting on mSD. I don't even use internal, it just confuses things. I'll try to look up the memory requirements for ID3 to confirm this madness.

Of course it would make good sense to keep a library together with the tracks it represents. Then the library update dance could be eliminated. Yeah, a better idea really.


Edited by MicroEuphoneum - 7/13/14 at 3:22pm
post #11451 of 12934
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Originally Posted by MicroEuphoneum View Post
 

Ah, E12 eh?

STOP TELLING ME ABOUT THESE THINGS. AARRRRG!

I've got to spend my money on albums now.

Hey, I've heard that PortaPro standard pads used on the PX 100 make it sound crisper. You think? Would they fit?

 

I have used the P200 pleather pads on the PortaPro's before I switched to the Grado Bowls, but found the P200 pads a little too sweaty.

 

They do sell foamies for the P100/200 series on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10X-Foam-Ear-Pads-Cushion-For-Px100-Px200-Px300-Px100II-Px200II-Pmx100-Headphone-/261335321223

 

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Originally Posted by MicroEuphoneum View Post

Now I've got a good reason for keeping that bucketful of OP AMPS and my surface mount rework station. How can you do this to me?

Opamps... you haz Opamps?

I only have a small collection...

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TrollDragon; HA GEEK! What are those ones in the TO3 cans?

So I guess you're saying the pads are more or less interchangeable. P200 pads fit porta pro so vice versa must be good. Well, I'm gonna give them break in time before deciding to do any change-out.

 

Here's TrollDragon in training....

 


Edited by MicroEuphoneum - 7/13/14 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by MicroEuphoneum View Post
 

TrollDragon; HA GEEK! What are those ones in the TO3 cans?

The TO-99's are LME49720HA Dual and LME49710HA Singles. The HA designation comes in the TO-99 can

 

http://www.ti.com/product/LME49710

http://www.ti.com/product/LME49720

 

Sample yourself some...

post #11454 of 12934
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Originally Posted by MicroEuphoneum View Post

The internal memory limit is 7GB. I'm absolutely positive that enough of that can be reserved to hold a much larger ID3 table than 5800 entries. So let's say one ID3 entry takes 1KB, seems reasonable. Let's demand a 50K song limit for ID3 table. Now you have 500M used by ID3 and 6.5G left for internal storage of songs. Not a huge difference considering the massive libraries users are putting on mSD. I don't even use internal, it just confuses things. I'll try to look up the memory requirements for ID3 to confirm this madness.
Of course it would make good sense to keep a library together with the tracks it represents. Then the library update dance could be eliminated. Yeah, a better idea really.

Not just for the X3. The X5 has no internal storage so it has to rely on the SOC memory to store the library index. Being that the FW is running parallel between the two devices it needs to consider the X5 as well.
Edited by x RELIC x - 7/13/14 at 5:08pm
post #11455 of 12934
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Originally Posted by BruceBanner View Post

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Recap on X3

 

1) Poorly integrated Favorites feature whereby you can only add single track at a time via NPS

2) No M3u Support

3) 5800 file limit

4) 10-15hr battery life

5) Bulky unit.

...

Items 1 and 2 are likely to be addressed soon since the X5 already has the feature in beta - though if they are deal breakers for anyone, wait until you see them....

 

Item 3 - The 5,800 file limit is only for the categories view. I used to have about 10,000 on mine before I upgraded my headphones and found that I could hear the difference between lossless and the compression level I was using at the time (AAC, TVBR, Quality 100). Also, it was introduced in firmware (IIRC) 2.14. Versions older than that would index the entire card - but I'm not recommending going back to the old firmwares to get around this limit.

 

Item 4 - I don't get much more than that from my smartphone when out and about, so, given that I seldom use the X3 100% of the time over a 10 hr stretch, I've never really found it a real limitation. It lasts long enough for a transatlantic flight, so that's enough for me. YMMV.

 

Item 5 - Worth it for the SQ (for me).

 

Finally, I wouldn't want to make you angry ;), but where did you find that information about putting everything in a single level? That hasn't been true since, probably, the very first firmware upgrade, and even then, it wasn't 100% true. Or are you referring to some kind of Play All type functionality? It's true that you can only "play all" the indexed files (currently limited to 5,800). It's also true that you can only play a folder at a time from the file browsing view. This is also likely to be addressed soon as it has appeared in beta X5 software (but see earlier comment about deal-breakers).

post #11456 of 12934
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Originally Posted by tjw321 View Post
 

Items 1 and 2 are likely to be addressed soon since the X5 already has the feature in beta - though if they are deal breakers for anyone, wait until you see them....

 

Item 3 - The 5,800 file limit is only for the categories view. I used to have about 10,000 on mine before I upgraded my headphones and found that I could hear the difference between lossless and the compression level I was using at the time (AAC, TVBR, Quality 100). Also, it was introduced in firmware (IIRC) 2.14. Versions older than that would index the entire card - but I'm not recommending going back to the old firmwares to get around this limit.

 

Item 4 - I don't get much more than that from my smartphone when out and about, so, given that I seldom use the X3 100% of the time over a 10 hr stretch, I've never really found it a real limitation. It lasts long enough for a transatlantic flight, so that's enough for me. YMMV.

 

Item 5 - Worth it for the SQ (for me).

 

Finally, I wouldn't want to make you angry ;), but where did you find that information about putting everything in a single level? That hasn't been true since, probably, the very first firmware upgrade, and even then, it wasn't 100% true. Or are you referring to some kind of Play All type functionality? It's true that you can only "play all" the indexed files (currently limited to 5,800). It's also true that you can only play a folder at a time from the file browsing view. This is also likely to be addressed soon as it has appeared in beta X5 software (but see earlier comment about deal-breakers).

 

Yeh I'm aware 1 & 2 are being addressed, I even had confirmation direct from Fiio's fb page. On the one hand it shows how good Fiio's commitment to regular fw releases is. On the other I find it slightly sloppy they released the player without either of these features addressed.

Item 3, yer right that it's only id3 tag browsing that this is the limit, at least Folder browsing has no limits. I'm being picky.

 

Item 4. Having not owned one I can't really say if this is a real issue. I have a Cowon C2 that has a 55hr battery life, which imo is overkill. My i9+ has around 25-30hrs which is also plenty. My only experience of low battery life being a pain is on the Sansa Clips (+, Zip and original), all of which have actually failed me more than once in a day at work (8-10hrs). These were supposed to get around 10-15hrs also. I even had to lower brightness, autoscreen off 5 secs etc, but still occasionally it died on me.
Now if Fiio are claiming 10-15hrs also I'm fearing my real time use might be around 7-8hrs.
I laughed at Cowon's new P1 DAP (the ridiculous $1200USD one), it has a battery life of 8hrs 30mins, that means for me I'll be lucky to get 5hrs :|

Like i said, it might not be a huge issue irl, but it doesn't inspire consumer confidence, especially if I forget to charge it after use, pretty much means I'm musicless for that day at work (whereas I can forget once to twice to recharge with the i9 and i'm not punished as easily).

Item 5 I can't really comment on. I did receive a personal message (on another forum) for some settings with my Cowon player I have that apparently sound very similar to the X3. I did the tweaking and wasn't blown away, still prefer my own custom presets with BBE/Jet Effect etc. Of course this is not the same thing at all, but it was a nice experiment to get a possible taste of what the X3 might be like.

I'll def keep my eye on the X1 and X3, see if there's any sales on and some of my issues resolved. I'd like to try a new DAP, try hi res etc, but so far my abx testing seems to suggest it would be a feature wasted on me...

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I personally love the USB dac feature, and because I use that, I also appreciate the amp section. For its price, I'm not sure if there's as versatile a dap that can beat it. Then again, I also am tempted to bite the bullet and get the X5... Damn you Fiio.
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Don't get me wrong, I do love Fiio also. I currently use a E7 docked into my E9 for the USB DAC feature and if it ever died I would get an X3 or X5 just to replace that feature. PC Gaming never sounded so good xD

post #11459 of 12934
hi, i'm planning to buy one of X3 (dap alone) or Colorfly C3+C&C BH (dap+amp) in near future.
although i prefer x3 because it has better design.
which one has more great clarity, detail, clean, and instrument separation? (i heard recent firmware make x3 sound better)
i'll use it with vsonic gr07
Edited by dezane222 - 7/13/14 at 10:46pm
post #11460 of 12934
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Originally Posted by BruceBanner View Post

 

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Item 4. Having not owned one I can't really say if this is a real issue. I have a Cowon C2 that has a 55hr battery life, which imo is overkill. My i9+ has around 25-30hrs which is also plenty. My only experience of low battery life being a pain is on the Sansa Clips (+, Zip and original), all of which have actually failed me more than once in a day at work (8-10hrs). These were supposed to get around 10-15hrs also. I even had to lower brightness, autoscreen off 5 secs etc, but still occasionally it died on me.
Now if Fiio are claiming 10-15hrs also I'm fearing my real time use might be around 7-8hrs.
I laughed at Cowon's new P1 DAP (the ridiculous $1200USD one), it has a battery life of 8hrs 30mins, that means for me I'll be lucky to get 5hrs :|
...

That's interesting - I have a Clip+ and a Clip Zip, and I didn't realise that they were supposed to have similar battery life to the X3. I definitely get let down more often by the Clips (especially the Zip) so I think Fiio's claims are probably more accurate. I say "more often" but the X3 hasn't ever let me down, possibly because I am more conscious of the battery life.

 

But I do all the lower brightness etc., etc., stuff as a matter of course with all my gear.

 

Also, for me, I normally plug it in at work, if I use it (not often - too many meetings), so I only have to worry about the commute. That makes a big difference, if you can't plug-in at work, as you'll need that whole 10 hours whereas I only need a couple of hours at a time, and 10 hours does both ways for a couple of days without any problem. The battery life would probably be marginal for anyone that uses it at work, and can't charge up there, even though I'd say that I generally get about 10hrs (but not 15!). I hope your phone is better at battery management than mine! (I have bad reception at work - that's what kills the phone battery).

 

The party line on the battery life is to carry an external battery pack to top up when needed - but that wouldn't work for me...

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