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To be equally fair: I own three tube amps, three tube preamps and two tube phono preamps (all reputable brands). After trying (and also spending grotesque amounts of money), I've learned (while listening over many years) that the majority of tube-rolling is absolute malarkey. I can count in less-than one hand the times I "thought" I could hear an apparent difference. Oh yes, how could I forget, for whatever it's worth: tube components are "not necessarily" warmer than SS equipment. In fact, the opposite is sometimes the case. Over on the HD-800 thread this nonsense gets bandied around so often that it's become the mantra.

 

I broke down and now have an X3 in my house. Ordered the X5 also but not here yet. As an old fart without much DAP experience (except for the idiot-proof IPod Classic), I am scared shiitless. Been reading about it and haven't even opened the box!

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I fully agree, when one rolls various years of one type of tube, a 6DJ8 for example there can be minor if not nonexistent changes to the sound, this can carry across different manufacturers as well.

With the versatility of the LD amplifiers we can roll everything from a single Triode to strapped Pentodes, Hexodes and Heptodes... So with these tubes being night and day in their specs, sound changes very easily since the circuit values are different. Not all tubes work in this scenario some are good, some bad.

I enjoy the nostalgia and sound from the tube amplifier. I don't strive for pristine sound, just what I enjoy and has a great toe tapping factor. In the end it's all about the music, isn't it?


You will be fine with your new DAP's the Line Out level of the X3 drives a SS or tube amp quite nicely. The UI is the furthest thing from the polished iDevice interface but you will get used to it.
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post #11013 of 11922

I'm loving the sound of FW3.0. I use the X3 as my portable rig and as an USB DAC at home and I've never had a problem with crashing. Keep up the good work Fiio!

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My computer has made it quite clear that I shall not now, nor possibly ever will, be able to use my x3 as a usb dac.  I've even built a new computer this week, with the same results.  Perhaps my X3 is to blame, perhaps this is the incentive I need to buy a dedicated dac/amp for my computer.  Maybe something inexpensive like an Aune T1 or Schiit stack, maybe something versatile like a Beyerdynamic A200P, or consider something a bit more substantial that has xlr inputs so I can consider that route.

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Are you having problems with installing the driver?

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Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post
 

My computer has made it quite clear that I shall not now, nor possibly ever will, be able to use my x3 as a usb dac.  I've even built a new computer this week, with the same results.  Perhaps my X3 is to blame, perhaps this is the incentive I need to buy a dedicated dac/amp for my computer.  Maybe something inexpensive like an Aune T1 or Schiit stack, maybe something versatile like a Beyerdynamic A200P, or consider something a bit more substantial that has xlr inputs so I can consider that route.

Have you tried smacking it?

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Yep, its a failure during the driver install process.  I've debated smacking it with http://www.sears.com/dead-on-annihilator-trade-ultimate-wrecking-bar/p-00937335000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

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Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post
 

Yep, its a failure during the driver install process.  I've debated smacking it with http://www.sears.com/dead-on-annihilator-trade-ultimate-wrecking-bar/p-00937335000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

Yah, I'd smack it a couple of times. That wrecking bar should do nicely.

seriously tho, I assume you've tried this: http://www.fiio.com.cn/support/detail.aspx?ID=100000041232752

I used the directions ch23 (hope that's right) posted on this thread and it worked fine for me (using win7 x64)

 

I initially though adding the dac feature was nice, but I wouldn't use it. Boy was I wrong. Running Musicbee, having access to all my music at once. Pretty sweet.

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As the question rose what material I am using: HiRes material in 24bit and 48 through 196 kHz, most of it 88,2 and 96 kHz, mostly FLAC, ripped material from CDs (FLAC/WAV). And recorded classical music from DVB, ac3, 24bit 48 kHz, which I convert to WAV or FLAC (often around 120 min). Some mp3 as well, but not so much.

 

There is in fact a need to resample it manualy because mainly I use the X3 as a digital source to the Fostex DAC/HPA which runs at 24 bit 96 kHz. It can resample by hardware which is supposed to be superior to software resampling. In this case I prefer the software resampling done by the Secret Rabbit Resampler - that's the main reason why I resample my material to 2496.

 

Joachim

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Originally Posted by Mambosenior View Post
I am scared schiitless. Been reading about it and haven't even opened the box!

Nothing to fear, easy-peasy. Open the box and you wont be able to resist it . :bigsmile_face:

 

listen to the tunes supplied, get a µSD card, load FW3 and some of your favourites and enjoy.

post #11021 of 11922

Ah, did not notice that one, very much appreciated :D  I bought my X3 used, and some of the files that I suspect, from what I've read, should have come pre-installed on the device weren't there, had no clue there was a usb dac manual

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Originally Posted by JLuecking View Post
 

As the question rose what material I am using: HiRes material in 24bit and 48 through 196 kHz, most of it 88,2 and 96 kHz, mostly FLAC, ripped material from CDs (FLAC/WAV). And recorded classical music from DVB, ac3, 24bit 48 kHz, which I convert to WAV or FLAC (often around 120 min). Some mp3 as well, but not so much.

 

There is in fact a need to resample it manualy because mainly I use the X3 as a digital source to the Fostex DAC/HPA which runs at 24 bit 96 kHz. It can resample by hardware which is supposed to be superior to software resampling. In this case I prefer the software resampling done by the Secret Rabbit Resampler - that's the main reason why I resample my material to 2496.

 

Joachim

I can now see why you're upsampling your non lossy files to HiRes files....that makes sense....but honestly, upsampling lossy files (mp3) to HiRes files does not serve any purpose. The lossy files are lossy resolution to begin with and upsampling won't restore the details lost in the lossy format. Anyway, these are my thoughts, YMMV.

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I just updated to the latest version of the Firmware but I can't really hear any difference in sound. What's the general consensus on sound change in this huge thread?

post #11024 of 11922
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Originally Posted by Ultrainferno View Post

I just updated to the latest version of the Firmware but I can't really hear any difference in sound. What's the general consensus on sound change in this huge thread?

Big difference
Especially playing mp3 files
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Originally Posted by Ultrainferno View Post

I just updated to the latest version of the Firmware but I can't really hear any difference in sound. What's the general consensus on sound change in this huge thread?
Prior to FW 3 (up to 2.1, to be precise) I had to use an external amp, because the overly warm sounding X3 sucked the life out of my also warm cans. With the new FW the X3 sounds much more transparent by itself, rendering my E12 useless.
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