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post #616 of 1202
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

People are missing the whole point and trying to justify a blatant error. Okay, it's fine if you still like it despite the suckout, but I wouldn't spread misinformation by saying it's not there, or it's just a mere dip, let the listener decide if the suckout bothers them. But don't say there isn't one just because one happens to overlook it.

Who?!? No one has denied seeing what the graph depicts, but you're desperately playing devils advocate. Then you say "let the listener decide if the suckout bothers them." Seriously? Newsflash, we, the listeners, have already expressed our views, and no measurement is going to change that. You, on the other hand, have a very hard time accepting that many of us actually admire the way the SM64 sounds, and that's blatantly obvious.
post #617 of 1202
Originally Posted by tranhieu View Post


1/2 is way too much. I don't get why they have to use such ratio unless it is to alleviate the notch. And pink noise? what?

 

Personally I will go along with whatever explanation/excuse they come up with as long they stick to the truth there's something ugly going on, there're loads of the people feeling satisfied with their purchase and that's a happy ending we all want. I will even give them some credit for making something out of the box this time but playing around with data to make things less serious isn't something I'd approve of.

Exactly, I don't care if certain users still like it or not, but this is silly and disrespectful. 

post #618 of 1202

Inks, I have never seen someone being so upset about an audio company like you seem to be. Sounds almost like you have personal problems with ES.
If they keep on making "abominations" like this, they will get what they deserve, right? (low profits etc.)

And I think I failed to read the comment where it says that there is no cosmical-scale suckout. ES did not deny that.
And on another note, they always responded fast and very polite when I mailed them about a wrong order I placed and the v2 upgrade. But that is just MY personal experience with their CS.

Yes, ES build quality is far away from being the best.

Yes, there is a not-so-tiny hole at 5khz.

Yes, these IEMs still sound pretty damn good. (I really don't think that people can adapt to every possible sound signature. And there allways will be sound signature that sound objectively better than others)

post #619 of 1202
Keep your eyes on the for-sale forums people. That's where the real tide of opinion can be observed.
post #620 of 1202

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Originally Posted by tranhieu View Post


1/2 is way too much. I don't get why they have to use such ratio unless it is to alleviate the notch. And pink noise? what?

 

Personally I will go along with whatever explanation/excuse they come up with as long they stick to the truth there's something ugly going on, there're loads of the people feeling satisfied with their purchase and that's a happy ending we all want. I will even give them some credit for making something out of the box this time but playing around with data to make things less serious isn't something I'd approve of.

That's why 1/24th is also presented along. And we all know pink noise(RTA) tends to introduce interpolating jaggedness to the result. ;)


Edited by udauda - 6/5/13 at 12:48pm
post #621 of 1202
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Originally Posted by udauda View Post

That's why 1/24th is also presented along. And we all know pink noise tends to introduce interpolating jaggedness to the result. ;)

 

Could this be why they used so much smoothing?  1/24 may have still been too jagged of a graph. 

post #622 of 1202
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

Could this be why they used so much smoothing?  1/24 may have still been too jagged of a graph. 


But why chose pink noise in the first place? Would a sine sweep not be any better?

 

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Originally Posted by udauda View Post

That's why 1/24th is also presented along. And we all know pink noise tends to introduce interpolating jaggedness to the result. ;)

I'd be curious about the reason they picked pink noise of all things. Will save my comment for later :D


Edited by tranhieu - 6/5/13 at 11:52am
post #623 of 1202
Dammit, the frequency response looks very similar to the Westone 4. Now I gotta sell 2 of my favorites...
post #624 of 1202
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Originally Posted by tranhieu View Post


But why chose pink noise in the first place? Would a sine sweep not be any better?

 

I'd be curious about the reason they picked pink noise of all things. Will save my comment for later :D

 

The only reason I could personally come up with was that Pink Noise incorporates not only how the driver will perform against the given frequency itself (the one being measured through the sine wave counterpart), but also every other frequency that is produced.  Does a driver change how it sounds when other frequencies are present?  We really don't know how it'll react in this way.  I did do a bit of digging and found this.  It's for measuring loudspeakers, but does clearly outline the advantages of using pink noise over a sine sweep

 

Quote: http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/showthread.php?451-Measuring-loudspeakers-and-a-training-course
F. What is the advantage of pink noise over tone (or impulse) tesing in-room?

In-room, pink noise gives a much better impression of how the speaker will sound than a test signal. The pink noise frequency response curve 'sweeps up' all energy radiated by the speaker, on and off axis inclusding the effect of reflections from the floor, wall etc.. Pink noise is not a windowed response, so it can, under optimum conditions, gives a holistic impression of how the speaker performs. An anechoic response that shows a level change across a frequency band may show a flat response when tested in-room with pink noise. Which is correct? Both, yet neither. It may be necessary to back away from a ruler flat anechoic response if listening and in-room pink noise testing show (as they often do) that a ruler flat anechoic response under-reads the total amount of energy sprayed into the listening room.

 

Also, if they were using an RTA program to measure, it's standard, if I'm not mistaken, is actually to use pink noise.  An FFT's standard is for a sine sweep.  I could be mistaken though.

post #625 of 1202
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Originally Posted by Gasdoc View Post

Dammit, the frequency response looks very similar to the Westone 4. Now I gotta sell 2 of my favorites...


Speaking as someone who owns both the SM64 DOES NOT sound anything like the W4

 

Speaking of Westone, I received the star tips today and they fit like a glove on the SM64. On the W4 the star tips finally gives the W4 enough treble to the point it doesn't sound recessed anymore. As for the SM64, the star tips seems to give the lows a little more refinement and keep the highs in check. Sparkle is pretty good with the star tips.

post #626 of 1202
Posted previously, but since tips have come up again:

After trying numerous tips, including the Star tips, the Phonak tips are definitely my favorite (see post 383). 10 for $15 at earphonesolutions.com including free shipping.
post #627 of 1202
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Originally Posted by ericr View Post

Posted previously, but since tips have come up again:

After trying numerous tips, including the Star tips, the Phonak tips are definitely my favorite (see post 383). 10 for $15 at earphonesolutions.com including free shipping.

 

Do you mean 6 (3 pairs) for $15? All I see on their website are sets of 3 pairs unless there's something I'm missing.

 

SoundEarphones has 3 pairs for $10 (including shipping as well).


Edited by PeterDLai - 6/6/13 at 1:09am
post #628 of 1202
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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post


Speaking as someone who owns both the SM64 DOES NOT sound anything like the W4

 

Speaking of Westone, I received the star tips today and they fit like a glove on the SM64. On the W4 the star tips finally gives the W4 enough treble to the point it doesn't sound recessed anymore. As for the SM64, the star tips seems to give the lows a little more refinement and keep the highs in check. Sparkle is pretty good with the star tips.

+2

 

Does NOT sound like the W4. Inks method of adding impedance to the W4 seemed to tame a harsh/sibilant spike I get with the W4 at *gasp* 5-6KHz. My ears. PRobably the same reason I have issues with the ER4 at that frequency. W4 bigger soundstage both directions, SM64 sounds more "organic"

post #629 of 1202
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Originally Posted by PeterDLai View Post

 

Do you mean 6 (3 pairs) for $15? All I see on their website are sets of 3 pairs unless there's something I'm missing.

 

SoundEarphones has 3 pairs for $10 (including shipping as well).

It should be this one

 

http://www.earphonesolutions.com/star-tips-eartips-sleeves.html

post #630 of 1202
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Originally Posted by midnightwalker View Post

It should be this one

 

http://www.earphonesolutions.com/star-tips-eartips-sleeves.html

 

I'm with Peter, I thought you meant the Phonak tips...  This is just a fit kit really :p

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