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post #1006 of 1306
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Originally Posted by jonyoo View Post

I found that I need to drive these a lot more than the other IEMs much more. more than the h-200 and surprisingly much more than the power hungry fxz200.

Does anybody get the feeling that these smooth out the music too much? I mean the sound is really really nice. Loving the bass (although I would be happy with more sub-bass), somewhat ok mids (upper mids too recessed for my taste), and great treble. Details and soundstage are great and I can see how how these can be really admired but this one seems to smooth out the music too much for me. As I said to a fellow head-fier, say if the music was like a bumpy road with the bumps being certain details in the music to be emphasized by the artist, it feels that the SM64 smooth it out and make the road paved thus making the music for me less enjoyable. The sound is not as full as I would like it to be. It has its moments when it shines like none other but it annoys me a lot when I listen to certain songs and think, "what is going on!?" It's like a love hate relationship. Very difficult to EQ compared to the IEMs I own and have owned.

What are you driving them with? What format/rate of the music you are feeding it?
post #1007 of 1306
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Originally Posted by ericr View Post


What are you driving them with? What format/rate of the music you are feeding it?

HTC One using Poweramp -> FiiO E17 -> SM64 with 320kbps mp3 and flac.

post #1008 of 1306
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Originally Posted by jonyoo View Post
 

I found that I need to drive these a lot more than the other IEMs much more. more than the h-200 and surprisingly much more than the power hungry fxz200.

 

Does anybody get the feeling that these smooth out the music too much? I mean the sound is really really nice. Loving the bass (although I would be happy with more sub-bass), somewhat ok mids (upper mids too recessed for my taste), and great treble. Details and soundstage are great and I can see how how these can be really admired but this one seems to smooth out the music too much for me. As I said to a fellow head-fier, say if the music was like a bumpy road with the bumps being certain details in the music to be emphasized by the artist, it feels that the SM64 smooth it out and make the road paved thus making the music for me less enjoyable. The sound is not as full as I would like it to be. It has its moments when it shines like none other but it annoys me a lot when I listen to certain songs and think, "what is going on!?" It's like a love hate relationship. Very difficult to EQ compared to the IEMs I own and have owned.

I will recommend you to try the Apex Glacier or the cheaper Headstage Arrow 4T with the SM64. These 2 I think have very good synergy with the Sm64.

post #1009 of 1306
The HRT Microstreamer is really nice with the 64s.

My phone is an HTC One too. I'll listen straight out of the One (without the MS) and see how they sound to me. Do you get the overly smooth sound listening direct from your phone (no e17) too? With beats off.
post #1010 of 1306
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Originally Posted by midnightwalker View Post
 

I will recommend you to try the Apex Glacier or the cheaper Headstage Arrow 4T with the SM64. These 2 I think have very good synergy with the Sm64.

 

If he's not liking the synergy coming from the SM64 and E17... I doubt it will change with a different amp/dac.

 

jonyoo, how are you feeding the E17 from the HTC? Are you using a micro USB?


Edited by Change is Good - 1/13/14 at 11:43pm
post #1011 of 1306
Good question. USB OTG cable or a 3.5 to 3.5 cable?
post #1012 of 1306
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Originally Posted by midnightwalker View Post
 

I will recommend you to try the Apex Glacier or the cheaper Headstage Arrow 4T with the SM64. These 2 I think have very good synergy with the Sm64.

I don't have any problem driving them with the E17. They just needed more power than the other ones I own. I think I have more of an issue with it's overall sound signature rather. I've tried a whole bunch of tips too foam and silicon and can't get a comfy fit. I'll try comply for last resort.

post #1013 of 1306
Audeo Phonak silicone tips give me a good quick seal, are comfortable enough to sleep in, and further enhance the soundstage.
post #1014 of 1306
I am using Ak100 without any amp used mine is SM64 V2 version no problem even i use galaxy note 2
post #1015 of 1306
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Originally Posted by ericr View Post

Audeo Phonak silicone tips give me a good quick seal, are comfortable enough to sleep in, and further enhance the soundstage.

Thanks, I'll see if I can try Phonak tips as well :)

post #1016 of 1306

Re-reading your description of the sound you're getting it seems that something isn't right.  A few thoughts:

 

1) The difference between poorly recorded (or low bit-rate MP3s) and well recorded songs will be quite noticable with the SM64.

 

2) What headphones are you comparing the SM64 against?  Comparing to my Westone W4 the SM64 actually has more sub-bass and the mids are more forward.

 

3) Just spent a few minutes listening to the SM64 directly out of my HTC One and it could be described much like your smoothed out road analogy. Turning the Beats audio on helped some, but mid piano notes were still sounded quite off.  Maybe the HTC is the weak link?  Have you tried using a computer with the E17 and SM64?  That would be: Computer > USB cable > E17 > SM64.  Use some of your FLAC files.  How do they sound then?

 

4) With a USB OTG cable (Lindy 31717 should work) your HTC One can send the bits directly to the DAC section of the E17 (which is likely better than the DAC inside the HTC One).  Not the best write-up but this guy really likes the result he gets: http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/2013/04/07/htc-one-daily-blog/

 

-Eric

post #1017 of 1306
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Originally Posted by ericr View Post
 

Re-reading your description of the sound you're getting it seems that something isn't right.  A few thoughts:

 

1) The difference between poorly recorded (or low bit-rate MP3s) and well recorded songs will be quite noticable with the SM64.

 

2) What headphones are you comparing the SM64 against?  Comparing to my Westone W4 the SM64 actually has more sub-bass and the mids are more forward.

 

3) Just spent a few minutes listening to the SM64 directly out of my HTC One and it could be described much like your smoothed out road analogy. Turning the Beats audio on helped some, but mid piano notes were still sounded quite off.  Maybe the HTC is the weak link?  Have you tried using a computer with the E17 and SM64?  That would be: Computer > USB cable > E17 > SM64.  Use some of your FLAC files.  How do they sound then?

 

4) With a USB OTG cable (Lindy 31717 should work) your HTC One can send the bits directly to the DAC section of the E17 (which is likely better than the DAC inside the HTC One).  Not the best write-up but this guy really likes the result he gets: http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/2013/04/07/htc-one-daily-blog/

 

-Eric

Thanks for your reply :)

 

1) I don't listen to any poorly recorded or low bit-rate mp3s. Everything is either 320kbps or flac.

 

2) I was comparing the sub-bass to the other two that I have the H-200 and FXZ-200. I am very much aware that the SM64 has more bass than W4. It's just that when I listen to bass heavy music, I like to have that sub-bass rumble like the FXZ200 has.

 

3) I don't think I would ever use Beats audio unless I was using the speaker. There's just something I can't trust about it. The thing about connecting the computer is, there would never be a situation where I would do that because I only listen to music during commute. Well I do listen to music sitting in front of the computer but through my speakers. I think I'm just being too picky.

 

4) Yes, I use a OTG cable to connect the E17 but after the last firmware update on the HTC One it got weird. The One recognizes that something is connected but the audio out through usb sometimes works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it recognizes it and then plays from the speaker which is quite annoying so I've been using 3.5 for now. I remember talking to the guy from gavinsgadgets long time ago before I got the one hehe :)

post #1018 of 1306
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Originally Posted by jonyoo View Post

Thanks for your reply smily_headphones1.gif

1) I don't listen to any poorly recorded or low bit-rate mp3s. Everything is either 320kbps or flac.

2) I was comparing the sub-bass to the other two that I have the H-200 and FXZ-200. I am very much aware that the SM64 has more bass than W4. It's just that when I listen to bass heavy music, I like to have that sub-bass rumble like the FXZ200 has.

3) I don't think I would ever use Beats audio unless I was using the speaker. There's just something I can't trust about it. The thing about connecting the computer is, there would never be a situation where I would do that because I only listen to music during commute. Well I do listen to music sitting in front of the computer but through my speakers. I think I'm just being too picky.

4) Yes, I use a OTG cable to connect the E17 but after the last firmware update on the HTC One it got weird. The One recognizes that something is connected but the audio out through usb sometimes works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it recognizes it and then plays from the speaker which is quite annoying so I've been using 3.5 for now. I remember talking to the guy from gavinsgadgets long time ago before I got the one hehe smily_headphones1.gif

W4R bass is like you knocking table with your fingers Sm64 bass is like punching on door that the different 64 win hands down, listening to linkin park 64 does the job better
post #1019 of 1306
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Originally Posted by jonyoo View Post


... The thing about connecting the computer is, there would never be a situation where I would do that because I only listen to music during commute....

Well I was thinking from a troubleshooting / testing standpoint you could use a computer to see what the E17 & SM64 combo are really capable of.

They sound pretty good with my clip zip too. Not as good as with the Microstreamer but better than just the One's 3.5 jack. Seeing it was under $30 on sale a clip might be an interim solution until Google to get usb audio better sorted out.
post #1020 of 1306
This is what i told myself what i have been missing from W4r and 535 after listening to 64 for a week.......
Bass clean amd clear vocal sweet music instruments and clean detail
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