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post #331 of 489
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Originally Posted by AzN1337c0d3r View Post

You also seem to imply that the teardrop shape implies design where none exist. If you saw a teardrop in nature, would you say it was designed too?

 

 

Some would say that a teardrop is evidence of intelligent design.  Does that mean Beats phones were made by God?  Just adding fuel to the fire here.

post #332 of 489
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Originally Posted by King of Pangaea View Post

Some would say that a teardrop is evidence of intelligent design.  Does that mean Beats phones were made by God?  Just adding fuel to the fire here.

 

That's not fuel to the fire. That's just... confused.gif blink.gif confused_face(1).gif

post #333 of 489

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Edited by ForShure - 3/7/13 at 11:48am
post #334 of 489

Hmmmm. Searching madly for tinfoil hat emoticon.......................

post #335 of 489
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

 

Design is among the useful arts as it is part and parcel of a useful item, in this case a set of headphones. Design is an example of what's known as the applied arts.

 

 

Your myopic obsession with "teardrop shape" is little more than an obfuscation.

 

Monster didn't design a shape. They designed a headphone. And a rather distinctive looking one at that, unless you would care to show me another headphone that could easily be confused with the Beats (logos notwithstanding) and existed prior to the introduction of the Beats.

 

Dieter Rams designed the TP1 portable radio and record player for Braun back in the 1950's.

 

 

It too is very distinctive. But if you look at it simply as "shapes," it's just circles and rectangles.

 

Looking at design simply as shapes is like looking at music simply as notes or a book simply as words, which is utterly absurd.

 

The design of the Beats came together fundamentally no differently than a piece of music or literature. Various elements were brought together in a creative way to produce something new and distinctive. And to that end, I don't see that it's any less deserving of protection than a new piece of music or literature.

 

se


Found my tinfoil hat:) I'm going to take a shot at this just for laughs.

 

 

Is there a huge difference here?

 

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One of my all time favourites.. Paint it red throw a b on it and...

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You come to this "b" logo from a ways back, and curiously enough for a headphone.

 

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Hey look it's even red.

 

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Hmmm from the shack.

 

I think that a real research effort sponsored by good ol legal dollars can turn up enough to cast doubt on the beats uniquness.

 

PS I hereby pledge to cowtow and buy a pair of 800's if Senni takes a pop at beats in the courtroom;)

post #336 of 489
I think the major issue is the blatant copying of the "unibody" design of the headphone.
post #337 of 489

I can understand Yamaha very clearly. It's quite good marketing from all this fuss (just look at the ads, they are doing it on purpose), but what about Shure???

 


Edited by SmOgER - 3/9/13 at 7:36am
post #338 of 489
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Originally Posted by SmOgER View Post

I can understand Yamaha very clearly. It's quite good marketing from all this fuss (just look at the ads, they are doing it on purpose), but what about Shure???

Shure is just quietly doing their own business in the studio sector of the market, so i don't think beats has anything to do there.wink.gif
(afterall they don't advertise much too)

post #339 of 489

It's just kinda not cool and turns their brand off...  What is the purpose of such a HPs? There should be some chinese logo on them, NOT Shure. What's more, as stupidly as it sounds, but by doing that they are unintentionally showing that Beats are reference point for (/ above) Shure.


Edited by SmOgER - 3/9/13 at 8:05am
post #340 of 489
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Originally Posted by SmOgER View Post

It's just kinda not cool and turns their brand off...  What is the purpose of such a HPs? There should be some chinese logo on them, NOT Shure. What's more, as stupidly as it sounds, but by doing that they are unintentionally showing that Beats are reference point for (/ above) Shure.

Well but their higher end headphones look nothing like beats. Its only this lowest end one that happens to look like beats.

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http://www.bauma.de/baumatools/promotion_area/promo_area.swf

 

this b just goes around & around just like that,tongue.gif

post #342 of 489
I just tried all three of the Yamahas, besides sound absolutely awesome, they look and feel NOTHING like the crappy beats. The only problem I had was the 400 model was too big for my head! Lolol. Unlike the beats even tho they're plastic they felt well built, sound obviously lightyears better.
post #343 of 489

There are lots of aesthetic copy cats out there. It's really the sound and reputation of Yamaha that is making Beats Audio squirm. Check out these gems.

 

http://www.idanceaudio.com/product_list_blue300.php

post #344 of 489
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Originally Posted by SpiderNhan View Post

There are lots of aesthetic copy cats out there. It's really the sound and reputation of Yamaha that is making Beats Audio squirm. Check out these gems.

 

http://www.idanceaudio.com/product_list_blue300.php

Although this brand seems pretty crappy, I wouldn't say these are looking like beats. They even fold differently, and cups are nothing like beats unibody design and similiar slick headband in used in numerous headphones, we could even include XB300's there

post #345 of 489
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

Design is among the useful arts as it is part and parcel of a useful item, in this case a set of headphones. Design is an example of what's known as the applied arts.

Are you kidding me? The teardrop shape is part and parcel of a useful headphone? Damn, Sennheiser must not be making headphones, they don't have the teardrop shape! They designed a headphone, and then applied a shape to it. The shape application was to purposefully file a patent which is used to restrict consumer choice. There was no design here, because there isn't even a hint of a process by which Monster arrived at such a shape.
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

unless you would care to show me another headphone that could easily be confused with the Beats (logos notwithstanding) and existed prior to the introduction of the Beats.

Did you read my last post? This is completely irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Wikipedia 
An actual shield of a given shape, for example, can be cited as prior art against a design patent on a computer icon with a shield shape. The validity of design patents is not affected by whether or not the design is commercialized.

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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

Dieter Rams designed the TP1 portable radio and record player for Braun back in the 1950's.




It too is very distinctive. But if you look at it simply as "shapes," it's just circles and rectangles.

Looking at design simply as shapes is like looking at music simply as notes or a book simply as words, which is utterly absurd.

The design of the Beats came together fundamentally no differently than a piece of music or literature. Various elements were brought together in a creative way to produce something new and distinctive. And to that end, I don't see that it's any less deserving of protection than a new piece of music or literature.

se

Except that the TP1 is as you admit, a collection of shapes. As far as I know, that collection of shapes have never been put together in such a manner before.
Edited by AzN1337c0d3r - 3/11/13 at 9:04pm
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