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post #16 of 22
Theogenes,

I do enjoy the beyer sound, from the isolation graphs "headphones.com" the t5p has good isolation out of the box, which ear pads did you go with? Do it yourself? What's a practical comparison of your t5p before and then after modification of ear pads?

Thanks!
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by kodyaudio View Post

Theogenes,

I do enjoy the beyer sound, from the isolation graphs "headphones.com" the t5p has good isolation out of the box, which ear pads did you go with? Do it yourself? What's a practical comparison of your t5p before and then after modification of ear pads?

Thanks!

 

I tried three pads: the stock leather pads, the J$ leather pads, and the (now discontinued) Beyer clear gel pads. Of the three, I found the gel pads to sound the best to my ears, although they can cause a little sweatiness and aren't as comfortable as the other two. I went back to look over the notes I took when I was switching back and forth, and the gel pads brought a little more weight to the bass, increased the clamping force on head a bit (which was an improvement IMO), and generally isolated a bit better which allowed everything to sound a bit more impressive by virtue of not having to fight outside noise as much. On the downside, the gel pads look like the result of an abhorrent tryst between a jellyfish and a prophylactic, and definitely don't fit with the elegant, modernist look Beyer does so well. 

 

I have the J$ pads on it now, but only because I've been too lazy to switch it back to the gel pads. The J$ pads, as I recall, do offer a slight improvement in the overall SQ from the stock pads, but I can't find my notes on it so I don't have specifics. I will say that after using the uber-luxurious stock pads, they feel somewhat cheap in comparison. The J$ pads are also a thicker than the stock pads, which again helps to improve the clamping force and decrease the problems of having to constantly readjust the cans when moving around. (I've been told I have a pretty large head, so I don't think the lack of clamping force is a phrenological failing on my part :P). 

 

I plan to do some more listening, take notes, and post a detailed comparison at some point, but I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Hopefully this will suffice in the meantime. Also, I should note that while I have never done the comparison myself, I read numerous posts during my research where people said the black Beyer gels were an abomination and were wholly injurious to the sound, while the clear gels were an improvement. Again, I can't speak to that personally, but it may be something to keep in mind if you decide to pick some up. 

 

And as far as the isolation goes, I find it nearly perfect for shutting out the low murmur of sounds around the house, but insufficient for use out in the world in noisy areas. The bass response (which I already find to be a bit underwhelming in quantity) absolutely evaporates in noisy areas. Apparently this is very common (I had never really looked at isolation graphs before I got the T5p, but now that I do I've noticed the low frequencies seem to be the most affected by outside noise on pretty much any headphone or IEM), and when I tried to EQ the bass up to a listenable level from my phone (Neutron media player), I got a lot of distortion due to the large increases required. Also, there are some ergonomic considerations that don't favor portable use (the cups are pretty large and don't swivel, so anytime you need to put them around your neck you feel like you're wearing the world's largest and most restrictive neck brace), so I basically just quit trying to use them on the go. YMMV, but I imagine these to be pretty standard findings. 

 

I just finished my coffee for the morning, so hopefully that explains and excuses the less-than-linear nature of my thoughts here. Holla if you have any other questions!!

post #18 of 22

Theogenes,

 

the more i am listening to the th600's the more i think i should go with high end custom IEM's due to isolation...  little point in having gret high end PORTABLE gear if external "junk" is interfering w music...

 

that said.. i am still considering changing the pico sac/amp combo to Algo Solo db straight into IEM's...  or to improve further should i still get an amp?  I want to sitlen at low levels and enjoy...which makes isolation really critical...  how does one demo IEM's?

 

Closed cans seem to me more for the person sitting next you you than you... and i think this seems to be a common mis conception of closed cans....

 

thoughts?

post #19 of 22

PS on making gel pads more comfortable, I fly small planes and have a headset w gell pads... the cloth covers which go over the whole ear open like a condom, place cloth between the gel bad and your head... making them significantly more comfortable... note I have never applied this to Cans meant for sound quality....  but definately huge in comfort department!

post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by kodyaudio View Post

 

the more i am listening to the th600's the more i think i should go with high end custom IEM's due to isolation...  little point in having gret high end PORTABLE gear if external "junk" is interfering w music...

 

that said.. i am still considering changing the pico sac/amp combo to Algo Solo db straight into IEM's...  or to improve further should i still get an amp?  I want to sitlen at low levels and enjoy...which makes isolation really critical...  how does one demo IEM's?

 

Closed cans seem to me more for the person sitting next you you than you... and i think this seems to be a common mis conception of closed cans....

 

thoughts? 

 

I basically came to the same conclusion regarding IEMs over cans for portable use (although I am still looking for some that I could use in less noisy situations-- hope springs eternal, after all). I would mention that I'm a bit in the minority when it comes to custom IEMs though, as I had a set of custom tips made for my IE8 and found them cumbersome, uncomfortable, and particularly annoying to insert or remove. I seem to be the exception, as most people report great success with their customs. Personally, though, I stick with universals. 

 

I don't believe you can use the Solo db directly into headphones, as it's  a DAC only, no amplifier (as far as I know). So if you go that direction (and plenty of people have extremely good things to say about the sound it produces) you'd still need an amp. One note on the low listening levels: I also prefer to listen at (apparently) really low levels, and I've had some issues with devices that have channel imbalances at low volumes. So far, I've tried two portable DAC/amp units with stepped attenuators or discrete volume controls instead of standard analog pots, and both of them had excellent channel matching, no imbalances whatsoever. If possible, I would definitely recommend at least auditioning some that avoid standard pots-- I'm not sure I'd go back to one now. 

 

On demoing IEMs, I'm not sure if there are many audio stores that would allow you to demo them, so you might be in a bit of a conundrum. If you're looking at going with something truly high-end (and concurrently expensive), it might be worth your time to find a Head-Fi meet where somebody has a pair of the IEMs you'd like to listen to, purchase your own set of tips, and ask if they'd let you listen to them. I'm doing the same thing to audition a set of Stax IEMs at the upcoming Canlanta meet. Alternately, you could purchase a pair of IEMs from somewhere with a solid return policy and just send them back if they don't meet your needs. (I personally don't care for this method, as I feel it penalizes companies that try to do the right thing by having a good return policy, but I digress). 

 

Closed headphones can isolate very well-- the question is just at what cost. I have two sets of HD25-1 II that I use sometimes that isolate extremely well, best I've heard for a headphone thus far. The problem is that they do so by clamping quite hard, and as they're supraural rather than circumaural, they can become painful after a while. YMMV, naturally. 

 

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Originally Posted by kodyaudio View Post

PS on making gel pads more comfortable, I fly small planes and have a headset w gell pads... the cloth covers which go over the whole ear open like a condom, place cloth between the gel bad and your head... making them significantly more comfortable... note I have never applied this to Cans meant for sound quality....  but definately huge in comfort department!

 

Not a bad thought! You wouldn't happen to have a link handy, would you? :)


Edited by Theogenes - 4/27/13 at 7:06am
post #21 of 22
Link, http://www.davidclark.com/HeadsetPgs/accessry.htm

It's 1/2 way down,,, comfort cover.... Totally awesome!
post #22 of 22

Ordered! I also picked up one of the headphone carrying bags he had there-- they look pretty rugged, and might be perfect for flying, etc. 

 

Thanks for the tip, man!!

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