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So I just got my 1350s yesterday.  I have to say, I'm a bit disappointed.  Isolation and soundstage are good, but the overall frequency response is a bit disappointing.  Now they haven't broken in, so that might help, but I'm not really expecting major improvements.  My primary purpose was to use it with portable devices.  What surprised me was how different my various devices sound when used with these phones.  The apple devices sound great, but my other device that I know have higher impedances just sound a bit more hallow.  I thought that the higher impedance and higher sensitivity of the 1350s would make them perfect for portable devices.  Maybe it's just my imagination, but my other cans that have half the impedance didn't exhibit as much variation as I see with the 1350s.  My other choice was the B&W P5s.  I had heard those in a store and saw a similar difference between my portable devices.  Really confused if I should send these back and keep looking.  Maybe I just need to get a portable headphone AMP.  

Hi mate,

Having the same initial experiences as me. Yes the DT1350's def need amping IMO!

 

These seriously benefit from a portable headphone amp when used with portable devices - even the FIIO e6 made a massive difference for me. Also, the positioning of the cups is key. Placing the cups slightly further back on your ear makes a marked improvement in the overall SQ.

 

I don't think burn in made a great deal of difference for me but amping and positioning definitely did! They have grown on me since i initially had them. Had to send mine off for repairs as the slider on the left side was loose and am missing them already. How things change :)

 

I also had a pair of P5's and since purchasing the Amperiors and DT1350's i have not missed them. The sound from the P5's are smooth for sure, but the detail, clarity and looseness of the bass was no good for me. The P5's are amazingly comfy though

 

Let me know how you get on.


Edited by jayp266 - 2/28/13 at 7:34am
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ARRRGH, I was hoping you weren't going to say that.  Thanks for the insight.  Ok, maybe I'll just get a small headphone AMP.  What's with these portable device manufacturers, can't they just spend a few bucks and put a decent AMP in.  I'd rather have that than a bagillion pixel camera or crap like wireless charging and NFC.  

 

Yes, also found the P5s to be more comfortable.  I think I'll go buy the P5s and do my own side by side comparison.  I wish I could have found a place to hear both next to each other.

post #33 of 59
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ARRRGH, I was hoping you weren't going to say that.  Thanks for the insight.  Ok, maybe I'll just get a small headphone AMP.  What's with these portable device manufacturers, can't they just spend a few bucks and put a decent AMP in.  I'd rather have that than a bagillion pixel camera or crap like wireless charging and NFC.  

Yes, also found the P5s to be more comfortable.  I think I'll go buy the P5s and do my own side by side comparison.  I wish I could have found a place to hear both next to each other.

Haha. Sorry mate. Yeah even a £20 amp like the e6 did it for me. I am sure there are other amps out there but have limited experience on them so far.

Don't get me wrong about the p5's though. I really liked them actually and was a reluctant sale! It Wouldve been a bit greedy of me to have the dt1350, amperior and p5s. If only we had three pairs of ears! smily_headphones1.gif

Give us an update on how it goes. I would be interested to know what you think of the p5's.
Edited by jayp266 - 2/28/13 at 1:20pm
post #34 of 59

Well, I did my own measurements to determine the impedance.   Looks like my Android device has may have slightly higher output impedance of my iPad.  Shouldn't make enough of a difference, but It may also be a matter of not being able to control the back EMF. 

 

I also got my P5s today. The P5s are so much more comfortable than the 1350s.  I also think the bass is more dynamic.  The highs and soundstage were clearly better on the 1350s.  Isolation was also better on the 1350s.  One other strange effect I heard on the 1350s was a distinct distortion artifact on some high frequency sounds.  I can't explain it, but I can clearly hear something that just doesn't sound right.  I wish there were a set of phones that combined the best of the two.  In the end the comfort was the deal breaker on the 1350s.  They are going back.  

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Well, I did my own measurements to determine the impedance.   Looks like my Android device has may have slightly higher output impedance of my iPad.  Shouldn't make enough of a difference, but It may also be a matter of not being able to control the back EMF. 

I also got my P5s today. The P5s are so much more comfortable than the 1350s.  I also think the bass is more dynamic.  The highs and soundstage were clearly better on the 1350s.  Isolation was also better on the 1350s.  One other strange effect I heard on the 1350s was a distinct distortion artifact on some high frequency sounds.  I can't explain it, but I can clearly hear something that just doesn't sound right.  I wish there were a set of phones that combined the best of the two.  In the end the comfort was the deal breaker on the 1350s.  They are going back.  

Nice! Glad you are happy with the P5's. there was a great deal on for the m-80's so bought myself a pair to try out. Wonder how they hold up against amperior and dt1350.
post #36 of 59
The M-80s are great. I'd say they are a good complement to the Amps and DTs. They have a slightly wider soundstage, great for an on-ears, and are punchy and warm in comparison. Very musical and non-fatiguing. Hope you enjoy them and I'd love to hear your impressions at some point.
post #37 of 59

I own a pair of m80s and I've owned the little bro of the amps, the Hd25-1 ii. Of the HD25s, I liked the tight punchy bass but the highs turned me off. When I could stand them it made me realize what I felt the M80s were missing and it was a more energetic sparkle but alas, it was shrilly for me. The highs also sounded artificial and digital on my set up. Switching between the M80s and HD25s, I started to notice that the mid-bass on the m80s were getting overpowering and fatiguing but I get accustomed to it after a session or two with them alone. I ended up selling the HD25s and picked up a pair of DT880/600s. It has the right amount of bass and the sparkle and detail without being shrilly. Mids are a little recessed but I absolutely love this set. Done with headphones, now on to better dac & amps. Hopefully I won't wade into interconnects and the likes. But this is Head-Fi. :\

post #38 of 59
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The M-80s are great. I'd say they are a good complement to the Amps and DTs. They have a slightly wider soundstage, great for an on-ears, and are punchy and warm in comparison. Very musical and non-fatiguing. Hope you enjoy them and I'd love to hear your impressions at some point.

Sounds great. At some point I'm going to have to choose 2 out of the 3 mentioned. I can't justify keeping all three...can I?! smily_headphones1.gif

Really looking forward to them arriving. I'll definitely let you know what I think.
post #39 of 59
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I own a pair of m80s and I've owned the little bro of the amps, the Hd25-1 ii. Of the HD25s, I liked the tight punchy bass but the highs turned me off. When I could stand them it made me realize what I felt the M80s were missing and it was a more energetic sparkle but alas, it was shrilly for me. The highs also sounded artificial and digital on my set up. Switching between the M80s and HD25s, I started to notice that the mid-bass on the m80s were getting overpowering and fatiguing but I get accustomed to it after a session or two with them alone. I ended up selling the HD25s and picked up a pair of DT880/600s. It has the right amount of bass and the sparkle and detail without being shrilly. Mids are a little recessed but I absolutely love this set. Done with headphones, now on to better dac & amps. Hopefully I won't wade into interconnects and the likes. But this is Head-Fi. :\

I suppose DT880's are great for home use but I am pretty much exclusively searching for the perfect portable on ear. I think out of the dt1350's, M-80 and Amperior I must be pretty close to my ideal set.
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I suppose DT880's are great for home use but I am pretty much exclusively searching for the perfect portable on ear. I think out of the dt1350's, M-80 and Amperior I must be pretty close to my ideal set.

 

Ahh, must've missed that req in the OP. I think unless you're looking for something more "fun", the M-80s will disappoint when compared to the amp and 1350s. It's bass heavy compared to the two and not as much shimmer/sparkle as well. I find it almost dull when I was ABing the HD25 and even now with the DT880s. They're still great for when I'm in the mood for thumpy basshead music tho. L3000.gif

post #41 of 59
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Ahh, must've missed that req in the OP. I think unless you're looking for something more "fun", the M-80s will disappoint when compared to the amp and 1350s. It's bass heavy compared to the two and not as much shimmer/sparkle as well. I find it almost dull when I was ABing the HD25 and even now with the DT880s. They're still great for when I'm in the mood for thumpy basshead music tho. L3000.gif

Hey that's no problem at all. I'll be reading up on open sets too at some point and will keep the DT880's in mind. Appreciate the comments.
post #42 of 59

I'd like to add the Phiaton MS300 to this list. Even if it is the exact opposite of typical senn sounds. This can is aggressive! I mean guitar have enough bite to gnaw your arm off. Everything about it just has this presence about it. I can't quite explain it. But i suppose it could be as "feeling the music", literally. It's not like senn other than relatively balanced. Perhaps just a tad bass shy, preference depending (just perfect for me though. And at around $100, a bit cheaper.

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I'd like to add the Phiaton MS300 to this list. Even if it is the exact opposite of typical senn sounds. This can is aggressive! I mean guitar have enough bite to gnaw your arm off. Everything about it just has this presence about it. I can't quite explain it. But i suppose it could be as "feeling the music", literally. It's not like senn other than relatively balanced. Perhaps just a tad bass shy, preference depending (just perfect for me though. And at around $100, a bit cheaper.

Hi mate.

Thanks for your input. From what I've read the ms300's are bass shy and highs far too sparkly. ..sounds like the signature can cut glass! Also having my arm gnawed off doesn't sound very comfortable to me. Haha.

It's an interesting proposition though as a lot of people dig the ms300's. Would love to try them one day. Interestingly they are available on amazon UK for £200 but just over £100 from amazon US. Tempting.
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Hi mate.

Thanks for your input. From what I've read the ms300's are bass shy and highs far too sparkly. ..sounds like the signature can cut glass! Also having my arm gnawed off doesn't sound very comfortable to me. Haha.

It's an interesting proposition though as a lot of people dig the ms300's. Would love to try them one day. Interestingly they are available on amazon UK for £200 but just over £100 from amazon US. Tempting.

You're definitely right, they aren't the can for everyone. They have been commonly compared to Grado. Now I can't personally attest to this, as I have limited experience with Grado. But from what I've read they do sound very similar. It's such a unique sound signature. 

 

The highs, I wouldn't say they're TOO sparkly, but that's just me. I think the issue some may be having is a upper mid range/treble spike. Now that is one down fall of these cans. And the bass, i could see calling it shy for some. I like it, its very clean a crisp. Now this is merely speculation, but i believe it may have some solid sub bass that adds to the "presence." But I'm still trying to make up my mind on that.

 

The mid range is also very forward. That was the first thing i noticed when i got them. Often, when i return to them from something like the HD600 i find the mid range almost too pronounced. However after a couple minutes of adjustment it settles into that pleasant rabid-dog-gnawing-on-your-arm mid range I've come to know and love.

post #45 of 59
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The M-80s are great. I'd say they are a good complement to the Amps and DTs. They have a slightly wider soundstage, great for an on-ears, and are punchy and warm in comparison. Very musical and non-fatiguing. Hope you enjoy them and I'd love to hear your impressions at some point.

I've spent a bit of time with the M-80's and firstly, what a great first impression they make! The outer box was just as impressive as the gorgeous rubberised hard case and the solid yet light headphones themselves. I think these headphones must have the greatest wow factor of any pair at this price point. They look like they belong on a DJ's ears and expected them to be super bassy but, you know what they say about judging a book by its cover..... the beauty is more than skin deep for sure.

 

I can see where you are coming from, Roma101, saying how the M-80's complement the Amperiors. The Amperiors seem to have more sparkly highs and a little bit more punch with the bass. I found the M-80's to have quite a relaxed treble and bass in comparison. I have read a lot of people say that these are very bassy headphones but i don't hear it. I might not be getting a great seal on the ears and so i am hoping the cushions will break in with time as i do like my bass to have a little more punch to it. The Amperiors do this perfectly in this respect. Although amping the M80's with the Fiio E6 does seem to fill that void somewhat. I haven't yet tried with my E17.

 

Deep down, I was hoping that the M-80's would be inferior to the Amperiors so i could move on but i don't think i can let these go! The mids from the M-80's make a nice change from the bassy + sparkly amperiors and i can imagine that form- and build-wise the M-80's would make a better travel companion. Although saying that, i think these leak a lot more than my Amperiors. Maybe it is partly to do with the seal i am getting on my ears and also the with the vents on the back of the cups. I am looking forward to test driving them on the tube.

 

Soundstage is also really nice on such a small pair. Maybe those vents do actually have a purpose.... who knows! Maybe i will tape over them to see if they make a significant difference.

 

I am eager to have my DT1350's back from the repair shop so i can compare against those. So far these M-80's have made me a happy chappy! :)

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