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post #46 of 70
2/18/13 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post

 

Agree.

 

You can replicate a straight-forward sound signature, but this won't recreate the overall sound of a player as so much more comes into effect. Whether it's a degree of "good" distortion the player introduces (i.e. like tube amplifiers add distortion which many find favourable), a specific timbre to the sound, detail retrieval, or some other subtlety in exactly how the analog signal is formed via the DAC and amp built into the DAP.

 

I honestly don't believe I can make my Cowon X7 or Rockboxed iPod 5.5G ever match a DX100's or HM601's overall sound. Signature? Yes. Total presentation? No.

 

(That said, I'll gladly be proved wrong) popcorn.gif

 

 

http://tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm

 

..Of course, you won't be proven when "testing" yourself - the power of the placebo effect, especially on people who are self selected for higher than average suggestibility, is pretty damn fierce. But could someone fake you out in a blind test? I'd be amazed otherwise. Because that's what a history of thousands of similar tests say.


Edited by scuttle - 2/18/13 at 11:35am
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post #47 of 70
2/18/13 at 2:42pm

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post #48 of 70
2/18/13 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by scuttle View Post

 

 

http://tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm

 

..Of course, you won't be proven when "testing" yourself - the power of the placebo effect, especially on people who are self selected for higher than average suggestibility, is pretty damn fierce. But could someone fake you out in a blind test? I'd be amazed otherwise. Because that's what a history of thousands of similar tests say.


You're own negativity on the subject is your own bias and placebo-effect.

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post #49 of 70
2/18/13 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

You're own negativity on the subject is your own bias and placebo-effect.

YUP. 

 

That being said. The Hm 601 is a great dap, and a guys is selling one with a 32gb sd for $140 [which is a good price] 

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post #50 of 70
2/18/13 at 2:59pm

That is a pretty good deal. When I bought one it as around $250 I think...

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post #51 of 70
2/18/13 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Dyaems View Post

hifiman daps or rocco P

 

hifiman daps are as big as a dx100 though

 

edit: i also think nano 6th gen/ipod touch 4th gen and zune players have a warmish sound to them as well

Yeah, I was liking the idea of a hifiman but the size is the same as the dx100 so that kind of defeats the purpose for me.

 

I've been reading about the new Hisound N1 and N3 players. Anyone know how do those compare to the rocoo P and Sony (& Cowon) players?

 

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Originally Posted by saratoga View Post

 

What were the settings you used?  From your posts above it sounds like you don't really have much experience with this, so maybe I can give you some advice.  

 

 


 

 

Generally speaking, software EQs work better then hardware EQs since they're more flexible.  But in this case a better EQ isn't really needed.  The 601 has a simple first order butterworth style filter.  Any parametric EQ can precisely reproduce this.  

Interesting discussion about EQ smile.gif

Saratoga - I've always been interested in EQ but never really knew enough to feel confident to play around with it. Any reading you could suggest to get me started?

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post #52 of 70
2/18/13 at 3:01pm

The N1 is a pretty damn good player for its size. I didn't think it would sound quite that good. It still has some issue though that hopefully will be resolved in the firmware update/s. The bass is the best I've heard so far on hisounds players :).

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post #53 of 70
2/18/13 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

That is a pretty good deal. When I bought one it as around $250 I think...

I know, I LITERALLY jumped on the oppertunity! Totally spur of the moment. An sadly the refreaking opbjective reaserach said it SUCKED, but listening to it well it was clear it was good... a good impulse buy! 

 

N size I guess can be an issue... I only use portable when I'm riding in some one elese car so at that time .... who cares u know! 

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post #54 of 70
2/18/13 at 4:02pm

Not placebo vs blinders again. Does every thread need to get derailed?

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post #55 of 70
2/18/13 at 4:07pm

yea guys, just go buy one and love it forever. Then come back and tell us how much you love it <3

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post #56 of 70
2/18/13 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

That is a pretty good deal. When I bought one it as around $250 I think...

Lee get's all the bad prices. regular_smile%20.gif

I picked up my Hifiman HM-601 $120 shipped (no sd card though) wink.gif

Actually for sale down there in ma sig.
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post #57 of 70
2/21/13 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post


Lee get's all the bad prices. regular_smile%20.gif

I picked up my Hifiman HM-601 $120 shipped (no sd card though) wink.gif

Actually for sale down there in ma sig.

yea mine was $125 shipped with a 4gb. Oh! Freaking Office supply store in my town had 16gb SD for $9 :D. Which is great because they are like $10+ online ^^ so my Hm 601 now has 52gbs of storage ;3 [including the SD cards I carry with it] 

 

Oh, also I did notice that despite the warmth of the Hm 601, the treble is REALLY forward and a little sibilant...well that is when it's hooked up to my indeed G3. My cMoy does WONDERS for it. Keeps the mids lush and the treble a little smoother...

 

getting a 12u_a7 Millext Max Whip_Lash with some RCA Tubes :D. sadly though I'll b getting an oDac as well so xD the Hm 601 might get less n less use [since I'm never in a "portable" enviorment any more.] I'm working or in class... either way I still loves my hm 601! Air PLANE SAVIOR it shall b decleared. 


Edited by Mshenay - 2/21/13 at 6:39am
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post #58 of 70
2/21/13 at 9:15am

Compared to the J3, I can say the ipod 5.5 w/Rockbox is definitely warm-sounding. If only it had the battery life of my J3....
 

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post #59 of 70
2/21/13 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Oh, the zune hd is a really DARK dap... With a warm eq preset

The Zune HD is not a dark sounding DAP at all.

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post #60 of 70
2/21/13 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post

Compared to the J3, I can say the ipod 5.5 w/Rockbox is definitely warm-sounding. If only it had the battery life of my J3....
 

You're right about that...lol. My Rockboxed 5.5 can go about 20 hours, assuming the screen isn't lighting up very often. Compare that to my X9 which is rated at 110 hours blink.gif

I enjoy the sound I get from both players, but the 5.5 stays home.

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