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DAP that leans towards a "warm" sound?

post #1 of 70
Thread Starter 

Hi all,

 

Just wondering if anyone can recommend a DAP that leans towards a "warm" sound. (e.g. like Sony)

 

I actually currently have a DX100 but was looking for something more portable, and I'm not really fussed by video capabilities as I won't really be watching any.

 

Been browsing all the threads and looked at the Rocoo, Colorfly, Studio V players, etc etc but just from reading, these players all sound like they're more neutral?

Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions...

 

Thanks.

post #2 of 70

Hifiman series

post #3 of 70

Why not get a neutral dap and warm IEM's?

post #4 of 70
Thread Starter 

faichiu - Yeah, I'll have a look into Hifiman. Thanks.

 

DMinor - Actually I just commited myself to a pair of SE5s not too long ago. They're pretty awesome with the DX100 (though I haven't tried the latest two firmware updates)! Just thought I'd try something a bit different with a more portable option, and always liked that warmer sound.

post #5 of 70
What about the hisound AMP3? Mine is definitely warm sounding.
post #6 of 70

Not sure what others think, but I found the Cowons to be ever-so-slightly warm (or perhaps smooth is a better term?)

post #7 of 70
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Originally Posted by Odderen View Post

What about the hisound AMP3? Mine is definitely warm sounding.


Really? I figured Hisound was more on the colder side...

 

Hifiman 601 is a very warm and musical player.

post #8 of 70
Thread Starter 

Odderen - From what I've read, Hisound seems to have more of a neutral sound? Never read up on the AMP3 though. Thanks, I'll have a look at that.

 

Loquah - Yeah, I did have a Cowon S9 in my inventory before and did quite liked it. Was just curious if there was something "better" out there.

 

Lee - Thanks. Definitely looking into the HM-601 Slim.

Other possibility I was looking at was maybe getting a Apex Glacier to go with a (cheaper) mp3 player. Not sure...

 

 

Thanks. More reading/thinking & saving to do I guess!

post #9 of 70

Walkman f series is definitely warm.

post #10 of 70

The iRiver H320, H340, Samsung P2, P3, Philips Go Gear Clip+ and Fuze are the warm sounding DAPs with good sounquality.

post #11 of 70

Hifiman is warm because it rolls off the treble.  You can do that in any player with a good EQ though.  Just cut everything above 12k a bit, and maybe pump up the low bass.

 

FWIW, its kind of pointless to buy a player for a given sound when a digital device can be programmed to have any possible sound.  

post #12 of 70
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Originally Posted by saratoga View Post

Hifiman is warm because it rolls off the treble.  You can do that in any player with a good EQ though.  Just cut everything above 12k a bit, and maybe pump up the low bass.

 

FWIW, its kind of pointless to buy a player for a given sound when a digital device can be programmed to have any possible sound.  


I don't agree on this totally. EQ is limited and induces distortion to the sound. I don't think you'll get the exact same sound of a 601 by using another DAP with EQ. It just won't happen. The results will vary.

post #13 of 70
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


I don't agree on this totally. EQ is limited and induces distortion to the sound. I don't think you'll get the exact same sound of a 601 by using another DAP with EQ. It just won't happen. The results will vary.

 

If implemented correct, EQ does not introduce distortion.  If implemented badly, it can though.  Hence my point about a "good EQ", that is, one that works correctly :)

 

And replicating the 601 is easy.  It has a really pronounced roll off that seriously changes the sound.  Compared to the huge effect that has, anything else will be extremely difficult to notice.  

post #14 of 70
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


I don't agree on this totally. EQ is limited and induces distortion to the sound. I don't think you'll get the exact same sound of a 601 by using another DAP with EQ. It just won't happen. The results will vary.

 

"Limited" in what way? What you have said is meaningless.

 

And saying that EQ introduces distortion is worse - it's job is to change frequency response, which is what is usually meant by distortion! If you think it introduces some other sort of distortion you'd better be more specific, or people will think you don't know what you are talking about and are reciting "A man down at the pub told me" cliches... Perhaps you mean artefacting? If so, what type of artefacts? 

 

You do know that everything you have listened to from a recording studio has been EQed, yes? And EQing a speaker set-up for a room using pink noise is one of the first things a professional audio engineer will do?


Edited by scuttle - 2/17/13 at 4:10pm
post #15 of 70

Agree. So long as you're not increasing frequencies to unachievable output levels (i.e. increasing levels in the analog stage) then there should be no measurable distortion added.

 

Not sure I've explained that well... What I mean is that most of the quality players out there are able to adjust levels in the digital signal without inducing any clipping or distortion. If in doubt, you can also use your EQ in a subtractive way only (i.e. reduce frequencies only, don't increase them) which will prevent clipping and distortion in my experience. For example, if you want more bass output, you can use your EQ to reduce the high frequencies while leaving bass frequencies at 0dB. This shouldn't introduce unwanted issues.

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