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post #31 of 64

Never heard the open PM but my closed mad dogs are about equal or a tad less than my K702 in width and depth. Switching to binaural recording audio they sound about equal.

post #32 of 64
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I disagree, The HD800 sound no different to any other  open headphone I have tried when it comes to distance. I own the Mad dog and they are close to my K701/K702 in terms of stage. These are, not speakers, Sound stage is dependent on the recording. I have never heard a soundstage that fill ups a room nor have I heard one that is more than 3 inches from my ear. Some headphones sound thinner and more airy than others which can give a little more sense of distance but nothing like the real thing.

 

i actually have to disagree with you as well. headphone soundstage do vary greatly. some with better width, while others with better depth. some with airier sound but less accurate stage and position, while others with layers of details but less airy. 

 

i also have some high end home speakers setup at home, i don't think it's an apple to apple comparison to lump speakers with headphones. Speakers are completely different animal. 


Edited by howzz1854 - 10/2/13 at 11:25am
post #33 of 64
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i actually have to disagree with you as well. headphone soundstage do vary greatly. some with better width, while others with better depth. some with airier sound but less accurate stage and position, while others with layers of details but less airy. 

 

i also have some high end home speakers setup at home, i don't think it's an apple to apple comparison to lump speakers with headphones. Speakers are completely different animal. 

That's the thing though many people will say a soundstage on a certain headphone is "Huge" and that is just a major exaggeration. Sure some sound better in regards to distance i.e k702, Mad dogs, DT770 pro and the denon line for example have a bigger stage than say the M50, V-Moda crossfade or shure440 which sound congested to me. But it's not a massive or huge difference you gotta be realistic. a huge soundstage would be a whole venue filled music not the small difference. 

post #34 of 64
You can't say an HD800 on a well optimized setup doesn't sound like a concert hall. It may not be as perfect as a high end speaker setup in a dedicated audio room, but it's quite different than all the headphones you've listed so far. Also the price gap between a HD800 rig and the speaker rig with properly outfitted room is substantial.
post #35 of 64
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That's the thing though many people will say a soundstage on a certain headphone is "Huge" and that is just a major exaggeration. Sure some sound better in regards to distance i.e k702, Mad dogs, DT770 pro and the denon line for example have a bigger stage than say the M50, V-Moda crossfade or shure440 which sound congested to me. But it's not a massive or huge difference you gotta be realistic. a huge soundstage would be a whole venue filled music not the small difference. 

 

that's because you haven't heard AD900 or HD598. either that or you just don't hear it like someone mentioned. i've heard Mad Dog, and its soundstage is pretty bottled up. i wouldn't even call it a decent size. DT770 is a half open can, you can't compare those cans to fully open and well known big soundstage cans that most agree have wide accurate soundstage. i wouldn't even put M50 in the same sentence. it's an over hyped closed can that has decent neutral tone, but has very little to no soundstage at all. 

post #36 of 64
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that's because you haven't heard AD900 or HD598. either that or you just don't hear it like someone mentioned. i've heard Mad Dog, and its soundstage is pretty bottled up. i wouldn't even call it a decent size. DT770 is a half open can, you can't compare those cans to fully open and well known big soundstage cans that most agree have wide accurate soundstage. i wouldn't even put M50 in the same sentence. it's an over hyped closed can that has decent neutral tone, but has very little to no soundstage at all. 

 

No the DT770 is fully sealed(Please do you research before stating things as fact buddy), Probably one of the most sealed phones you can find lol No I can hear it, I just don't exaggerate it. The differences are very minor. Woah woah calm down cowboy! I stated that the m50 sound more closed up lol 

 

The K702 was meant to have this huge stage but it just sounds more airy and open nothing in terms of stage screams big. I have many friends who produce and critique music and they also agree with me.

post #37 of 64
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You can't say an HD800 on a well optimized setup doesn't sound like a concert hall. It may not be as perfect as a high end speaker setup in a dedicated audio room, but it's quite different than all the headphones you've listed so far. Also the price gap between a HD800 rig and the speaker rig with properly outfitted room is substantial.

 

I disagree, Nice headphones though sadly they didn't have that feel. They have a more on ear stage, Nothing like a concert hall. Very airy and clean though.

post #38 of 64
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your facts are no better than mine. lets agree to disagree on your opinion, which goes against most findings on this site. lets leave it at that. 

 

now please, can someone with experience with both 598 and 650 please chime in. 

post #39 of 64

Of course buddy, Goes without saying just defending my opinion ;)

post #40 of 64
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btw i am not your buddy kid :)

post #41 of 64
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btw i am not your buddy kid :)

 

LOL Calm down tough guy 

post #42 of 64
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post #43 of 64
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I disagree, Nice headphones though sadly they didn't have that feel. They have a more on ear stage, Nothing like a concert hall. Very airy and clean though.

It's all in the psycho-acoustics. I actually prefer the soundstage of my custom IEMs over my HD800 and over speakers, even high end setups I've heard at hifi shows that were well done. The IEMs give me a holographic feeling of being in the music that no speaker will ever be able to do. Speakers play music at you, headphones and IEMs put you in the music. Speakers are just boring as hell to me.
post #44 of 64

I agree with you about headphones, I'm not actually a speaker neither do I intend to be. My point was based purely on staging, For me nothing compares to a good set of headphones especially lively, detailed and balanced ones! 

post #45 of 64
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

 

that's because you haven't heard AD900 or HD598.


I own the AD900 and I've heard the 598 multiple times.  There's nothing to write home about when talking about their 'soundstages.'  The soundstage phenomena on head-fi is blown out of proportion, but there are some big enough differences that draw me away from certain headphones when comparing them to others.

I'm going to question one aspect of one of your earlier posts just to question it:  Can you actually tell me what an 'accurate soundstage' is for headphones?  There's a difference between saying headphone a has spacier sound than headphone b, but how are you going to even begin to comment on soundstage accuracy when each can is placed on top or either ear disallowing each ear to hear directional cues coming from both channels at the same time, and even if you were to enable some crossfeed or had a binaural recording, how would you even begin to comment about the headphone's accuracy if you weren't there in person to listen to the recording?
Edited by TMRaven - 10/2/13 at 12:59pm
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