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post #841 of 958
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Originally Posted by Jd007 View Post

do you have x-sabre set as the default playback device in in windows? also wasapi is exclusive, so if you have jriver on in wasapi mode, no other sound will play (need to close jriver).

the audio output doesn't switch part is windows' problem, it doesnt automatically fallback to another output device when the default one is unavailable. your speakers are not hooked up to the dac? do you have surround or something? i would just hook them up to the dac for convenience (use rca splitters)

Totally didn't think of that. Good call, I'll look at the windows defaults. I'm talking about the built in laptop crap speakers haha just so if I'm leaving my desk for some reason I usually just unplug the DAC for 15 minutes and let it play with the junky laptop speakers.
post #842 of 958
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Totally didn't think of that. Good call, I'll look at the windows defaults. I'm talking about the built in laptop crap speakers haha just so if I'm leaving my desk for some reason I usually just unplug the DAC for 15 minutes and let it play with the junky laptop speakers.

oh, then maybe theres a third party program somewhere that can give you the audio output fallback feature, good luck!

post #843 of 958
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Totally didn't think of that. Good call, I'll look at the windows defaults. I'm talking about the built in laptop crap speakers haha just so if I'm leaving my desk for some reason I usually just unplug the DAC for 15 minutes and let it play with the junky laptop speakers.

 

If your setup is anything like mine (and it sounds like it is) then the issue could be that the drivers you're using with the X-Sabre aren't compatible with the internal sound card. I have this trouble with ASIO, but it's OK with WASAPI I think. (Using Windows 7 - 64 bit)

post #844 of 958

I got it to work, thanks guys!

 

The DAC is a little warm, so I'll have to test a little more and decide weather I like its sound sig. It definitely is superior to my M1DAC, but I'm not sure if I personally prefer it.

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Did any third party conduct tests to validate the given\declared specifications of the D/A converter?

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Did any third party conduct tests to validate the given\declared specifications of the D/A converter?

 

Nope, not that I know of. Yulong has quite a bit of advanced testing equipment from Prism Sound and a few others, and he uses them extensively while designing his products. Many (most?) others don't have access to that type of thing. But of course there's no 3rd party confirmations - there rarely is. 

post #847 of 958
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Nope, not that I know of. Yulong has quite a bit of advanced testing equipment from Prism Sound and a few others, and he uses them extensively while designing his products. Many (most?) others don't have access to that type of thing. But of course there's no 3rd party confirmations - there rarely is. 

 

I would think this would be true of any company (American Companies included) unless the product was reviewed by someone who had the means to do the test.

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So from where they gather the specifications if they don't have this type of equipment? They just make it up because it looks nice?
How do they know whether what they created is good?

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So from where they gather the specifications if they don't have this type of equipment? They just make it up because it looks nice?
How do they know whether what they created is good?

you can get an estimate of the true specs by just using the lowest specs of the components (dac chips and opamps mostly) in the signal path that you use. they know its good because they followed the dac reference design guidelines

post #850 of 958

Still seems bizarre to me. Even if they followed the reference design guidelines, what if something in the implementation is still wrong? How can they know it?

So it seems the DA8 will be a better choice. Doesn't it?

post #851 of 958
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Still seems bizarre to me. Even if they followed the reference design guidelines, what if something in the implementation is still wrong? How can they know it?
 

 

 

Bingo. You'd be surprised at how many "audio engineering" companies design fancy audiophile gear by ear, while only having access to the bare minimum of tools for measurement (or none at all in some cases). Some of them send the gear out to be tested for final specs, and others do indeed grab specs directly from a DAC chip or opamp and call it a day. 

post #852 of 958
Doesn't mean the DA8 will sound better, though wink.gif

The Objective gear measures very well but is rather average in performance.
post #853 of 958
Thread Starter 

Sorry, I lost the plot there for a minute and forgot which thread I was in. I happen to know that the Matrix folks have some advanced measurement gear as well. Not as sure of the specifics as I am with Yulong, but it should be mostly the same level of gear. Definitely not designing by ear over there. 

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Oh, that's great news, cause it is cheaper than the DA8 and looks much better. I really hoped they have the proper gear to test everything and give honest specs.

Thanks

post #855 of 958

This DAC just keeps getting better and better. I'm especially impressed with the USB input, no other USB/spdif-converter has been on par with the USB input on the X-Sabre in my experience. Disclaimer: I haven't heard the fully upgraded audiophilio or OR5, but those costs almost more than the DAC itself, so I wouldn't bother.

Point is that this play REALLY great with any PC audio. I mainly use PC as a music source, and to have this good of a sound from the X-sabre is astonishing. 

 

I also feel that the X-sabre plays on the strength of HD800, while covering up some weaknesses. Some DACs like BM DAC1 make the HD800 seem shouty, upfront/inyourface, and bright. With the X-sabre it just settles in just right with huge soundstage and a more relaxed while neutral tone. I played a album I've played hundreds of times and this was truly the first time I had to take of my headset to make sure no one else were in the room beside me.

 

I feel I am long set as far as DACs goes. The X-sabre is here to stay together with my HD800.

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