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post #541 of 1084
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

 

I have tried that exact combo. The result is quite nice, imo. But it really depends on your view of the HD800 - do you find it extremely bright? If so, you will want the smoothest DAC and amp chain possible. Do you find it perfect as is? If so, you'll want a mostly neutral DAC and amp. 

 

Personally I don't think the V200 is all that colored. It's just got some minor character to it, kind of like the X-Sabre. So it works for me. But I tend to prefer smoothness to extreme detail/clarity, most of the time anyway. 

 

Are they mutually exclusive?

post #542 of 1084
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Are they mutually exclusive?

 

Probably not, but they are quite hard to achieve both at the same time with limited budget.

 

Again, I also tend to favor smoothness (e.g. Metrum Quad) over details (NFB-27) because I had a hard time removing the hardness/glariness from the NFB-27 (power cord/conditionning issue, mainly). By comparison, the Quad is a set-and-forget solution which is pretty much insensitive to power feed (at least in my system?) and a fast access to an enjoyable and fatigue-free moment.

 

Once I solved most of the hardness issue, I found the NFB-27 to be very smooth as well and provide a fatigue-free sound. This was after 3 months and few attempts to sell it... Eventually, I sold the Concero + Quad ;)

post #543 of 1084
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Are they mutually exclusive?

Not mutually exclusive, but cost a lot to obtain - more so with headphones. People have find a few workarounds to this: a) find the most revealing source, then try to tame the shortcomings with amp and transducer; and b) try to get a pleasant detailed (not much as a) ) smooth sound without breaking the bank or c) $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, or in our case £££££££££££££

 

If you want to add engaging but not fatiguing, holographic with good center/front to back/left to right imaging, immune to power quality/interference, multiple input/output it's gonna cost a crapload more bigsmile_face.gif

post #544 of 1084

I favour clarity & detail above smoothness but still feel I am getting both.

The Audio-gd NFB-7 is extremely detailed, the Master-6 is very neutral and fully extends high and low and both are very smooth.

Audio-gd amps are known for being smooth, maybe because of the quality power supplies.

I also use pure silver or silver/gold interconnections/headphone cables and still have no issues with brighness, even with the HD800 probably the brightest phone I have, or harshness.

Sibilance can be an issue sometimes but only if it's on the recording in the first place. My system does not add or emphasize any sibilance.

My old AKG K701's used to make my hears ring after 1 hour or so on a different system but none of my phones do that now and I probably listen louder than I used to because of the cleaner sound I am getting now.


Edited by nigeljames - 5/22/13 at 9:07am
post #545 of 1084
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

I favour clarity & detail above smoothness but still feel I am getting both.

The Audio-gd NFB-7 is extremely detailed, the Master-6 is very neutral and fully extends high and low and both are very smooth.

Audio-gd amps are known for being smooth, maybe because of the quality power supplies.

I also use pure silver or silver/gold interconnections/headphone cables and still have no issues with brighness, even with the HD800 probably the brightest phone I have, or harshness.

Sibilance can be an issue sometimes but only if it's on the recording in the first place. My system does not add or emphasize any sibilance.

My old AKG K701's used to make my hears ring after 1 hour or so on a different system but none of my phones do that now and I probably listen louder than I used to because of the cleaner sound I am getting now.

 

Do you use any particular power conditionner or power cable with the NFB-7 and Master-6? Or do you use the cheap ones that came with them?

 

The best description of a properly driven NFB-27 is: effortless.

Effortless in that it is (very?) resolving, dynamic and, all-in-all, "technical" without a hint of harshness.

I think the treble is smoothed out a bit on all the Audio-GD gears, be them SA or NFB ones. They all have a hint (or more) of warmth in them, IMO.

 

By comparison, the Concero has more incisive treble (tizz or sizzle) but extend less and is less resolving. In this, one could say the NFB-27 actually is the best of both worlds (smooth and detailed).

post #546 of 1084
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

 

Do you use any particular power conditionner or power cable with the NFB-7 and Master-6? Or do you use the cheap ones that came with them?

 

The best description of a properly driven NFB-27 is: effortless.

Effortless in that it is (very?) resolving, dynamic and, all-in-all, "technical" without a hint of harshness.

I think the treble is smoothed out a bit on all the Audio-GD gears, be them SA or NFB ones. They all have a hint (or more) of warmth in them, IMO.

 

By comparison, the Concero has more incisive treble (tizz or sizzle) but extend less and is less resolving. In this, one could say the NFB-27 actually is the best of both worlds (smooth and detailed).

 

I use a Tacima CS929 power strip, which I bought because I needed another power strip.

I also use a Clearer Audio Copper-line cable on my Master-6 and an Audio Freindly one on NFB-7. The power leads  were bought because I needed them not because I expected any significant SQ improvements. I have never bothered to compare them to bog standard leads.

I did move the AF cable from my Cyrus CD player/transport to the NFB-7 and did not notice any obvious differences.

post #547 of 1084
Thread Starter 

As has been explained, yes - it is possible to "have it all". But it tends to cost a lot. My Resonessence Labs Invicta, to my ear, achieves just that. But watch out - high price alone is no guarantee. The $5k Esoteric D-07x does the detail thing well, but not the musical thing. 

post #548 of 1084

Just curious, are these actually shipping right now? Has anyone received one?

 

I see them available on Ebay from Chinese sellers so it seems they should be available.

post #549 of 1084

A friend of mine ordered within the last week and had his unit shipped yesterday.

post #550 of 1084
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Just heard from the North American distributor - orders are shipping right now, and a silver version is just around the corner. No time frame on that but it should be soon. Wow, as much as I love the looks of the black enclosure, silver would be mighty nice as well.
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It does DSD over PCM. The data is the same at the end, it just does it over a PCM protocol. It isn't native, but it is identical in result.
post #553 of 1084
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Yeah, think of it like FLAC in a way, no, it's not uncompressed, but then again yes, it is. Make sense?
post #554 of 1084
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

It does DSD over PCM. The data is the same at the end, it just does it over a PCM protocol. It isn't native, but it is identical in result.

TNX Maxvla. I know what is DoP smile.gif

 

http://dsd-guide.com/dop-open-standard


Edited by Esprit - 5/25/13 at 5:44pm
post #555 of 1084

Well mine has shipped and if I am lucky it may arrive this week. Perhaps I can do an unboxing and consumer level review soon.

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