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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Drag the foobar plugin from an explorer window into the components list on foobar.

 

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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

 

Email Arthur and he can help - it's a little tricky at first but you'll get it. Just have to make sure you do each step which can get confusing. And once you are done, you'll probably have a huge list of devices to choose from - make sure you choose the right one. 

 

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Dood, just pay up for JRiver and stop fricking around with Foobar. Life's too short once you get older. Paying 1/24 of the price of your DAC for software to alleviate such headaches is well worth it.

 

Yeah, I've done everything -- X-Sabre ASIO, X-Sabre WASAPI, set up a generic ASIO driver. It can't lock onto DSD with Foobar for some reason. I can convert to PCM just fine though. 

 

Not a big deal anyway since JRiver works just fine. Just frustrating that I can't crack the code. I'm not even 30 yet and having a "sonny, please help me set up my VCR" moment. 

 

Anyway, as far as impressions go, I haven't had much time at all to listen. Out of the box, I was disappointed in the treble glare and bass bloom which made things a bit hazy. I've had it on since Thursday and did a bit of listening last night. It's definitely smoothed out and tightened up since then. There's still some glare there on certain recordings that definitely wasn't there on the Gungnir though. 

 

I'm now reading through Purrin and Anax's review and agree with a lot of it. It digs deeper than the Gungnir, but sounds rougher in patches overall. There's more detail, but it's grainier so at times it's jarring to the point I wished that it was smoothed over. My priorities are tonal balance and listenability (lack of jarring flaws) over technicalities, so I'm fairly lukewarm to the X-Sabre for now. It is a more relaxed and open presentation than the dynamic, upfront Gungnir, so I can see someone preferring it for that. I hate a term as nebulous as "PRaT", but that's something I felt the Gungnir was very good at that I'm missing with the X-Sabre. The one part of their review I'd disagree with is "continuousness" where they rated the X-Sabre and Gungnir the same, but I feel the Gungnir wins quite handily on that dimension. (EDIT: Looks like I have reading comprehension issues. I was looking at the wrong row, as they noted liquidity of Gungnir wins)

 

Need to do more listening and maybe tube rolling before finalizing any opinion, but those are the aspects that jumped out at me last night. 


Edited by Questhate - 4/8/13 at 4:20pm
post #452 of 963
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Originally Posted by Kevin5236 View Post

Does the X-Sabre implement the DoP v1.0 or v1.1? We are talking 24/88.2 vs 24/176.4 DSD native playback here... There's a difference.

 

I tried DSD64 (1 bit @ 2.8224MHz) bitstreamed to the X-Sabre with no problems. DSD64 bandwidth (including the additional 8 bit header used to identify it's a DSD stream) ends up as the equivalent of 24bit / 176.4kHz. So I can only assume that the PCM wrapper was running at 24/176, since the DSD64 or DSDx1 light was on the DAC.

 

To my knowledge, DoP v1.0 (and from its conception) was always able to support DSD64. (8 bit header + 16 bit data @ 176). I mean, it wouldn't make sense for them to support a standard which lacks sufficient bandwidth to embed at least DSDx1, ya?

 

The only thing I know is that JRiver supports the DoP 1.0 OxFa, 0x05, and older 0xAA marker/header formats which identify the DSD stream embedded in PCM.

 

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Originally Posted by Kevin5236 View Post

JRiver isn't the end-all solution. Learning how to set up the DAC with your computer is. Foobar is a great product and is even better when you think how much it costs... NOTHING!

 

Never said JRiver is the end-all solution. My reply was in the context of Q's comment on getting older and not being able or having the inclination to "learn" or I as prefer to call it "F with stuff". "Learning" or "f'ing with stuff" to get things to work gets tiresome when you get older and have other responsibilities. In the sense that time = money, I've found that foobar has been much more expensive.


Edited by purrin - 4/8/13 at 3:51pm
post #453 of 963
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Need to do more listening and maybe tube rolling before finalizing any opinion, but those are the aspects that jumped out at me last night. 

To sum up: you're not happy with your new purchase?

post #454 of 963
What happened to that useful spreadsheet that was linked here earlier?!?

I am considering two of those DACs and now I can't find the comparison.
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What happened to my post is my question :P

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Thread Starter 

Finally - review is done, check the first post of this thread.

post #457 of 963
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

Finally - review is done, check the first post of this thread.

Thanks very much for the review, Project86.

 

As always, a job well done.

post #458 of 963

Excellent review & I agree with your conclusions regarding the DAC's I've compared to it. X-Sabre definitely belongs on anyone's $1k shortlist. 

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Great review Project86. Love the take apart photos and insightful comparisons with other DACs. I look forward to your investigation on why High res FLAC or  DXD, etc. is so much more expensive than RedBook. Shouldnt it be one price with a choose your preferred format kind of thing...

Anyways... excellent and thanks for being so generous with your time. 

post #460 of 963

Great review, really. Thanks for all the comparisons, that for me is the most helpful part!

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Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone!

 

 

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Originally Posted by mcullinan View Post

Great review Project86. Love the take apart photos and insightful comparisons with other DACs. I look forward to your investigation on why High res FLAC or  DXD, etc. is so much more expensive than RedBook. Shouldnt it be one price with a choose your preferred format kind of thing...

Anyways... excellent and thanks for being so generous with your time. 

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply I'd be looking any further into this mystery... 

 

The only time I can get behind a hi-res version costing more is when the company was involved in funding a remaster from the original analog tapes. At that point it makes sense for them to recover the costs involved in that project. 

 

If I had to guess though, I'd bet the labels have some deal worked out with the distributors (HDtracks for example) where the very right to sell those hi-res versions costs more than the redbook counterpart. So we get charged a higher price to make up the difference. Which makes sense I guess, but it's still frustrating for us as end users.

 

I choose to assume it's something like that rather than straight forward "we charge more cuz people will pay more". 

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Project86: I love your review, it was more informative than I could hope for. I am about to order Svetlana 2 to pair with my W3000ANV. After that I will be saving for new dac; and seeing you actually own(ed) few dacs I am keeping my eye on together with Svetlana 2 (which is pretty rare amp to see around, not really a mainstream) - which dac would provide the best synergy with Svetlana 2 + W3000 combo (or Svetlana 2 + W1000X for that matter)? I am currently looking at DAC in sub 1000€ category - X-Sabre and Resonessence Concero are my favourites atm (Yulong D18 didn't make the cut because of missing USB input). I am concerned only about pure sound, no need to take additional input/output capabilities or higher price into an account. Your personal preference will suffice greatly, no need to explain why would you choose one or another.

post #463 of 963
Good review, John. I am one of those people for whom the X-Sabre locked in on every aspect of sound I want and is practically perfect. I have no desire to look elsewhere for a DAC.
post #464 of 963
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Originally Posted by filuS View Post

Project86: I love your review, it was more informative than I could hope for. I am about to order Svetlana 2 to pair with my W3000ANV. After that I will be saving for new dac; and seeing you actually own(ed) few dacs I am keeping my eye on together with Svetlana 2 (which is pretty rare amp to see around, not really a mainstream) - which dac would provide the best synergy with Svetlana 2 + W3000 combo (or Svetlana 2 + W1000X for that matter)? I am currently looking at DAC in sub 1000€ category - X-Sabre and Resonessence Concero are my favourites atm (Yulong D18 didn't make the cut because of missing USB input). I am concerned only about pure sound, no need to take additional input/output capabilities or higher price into an account. Your personal preference will suffice greatly, no need to explain why would you choose one or another.

 

 

Thanks for the kind words. Funny you should mention the Svetlana - I was just listening to it, fed by the X-Sabre (routed through the Stax SRA-12S to allow multiple connections at the same time). I don't have my W1000X any more but I was using the HD800 - geez does that amp sound nice. I already established that my Svetlana was the best amp I ever heard for W1000X. I'm certain it does very well with the W3000ANV as well - as another Svetlana user around here reports.

 

Concero is quite good as well but for an all out system like that (and I consider W3000ANV and Svetlana to definitely be an all out system, or "end game" if you wish) I'd say go with the X-Sabre if money isn't a consideration. 

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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Good review, John. I am one of those people for whom the X-Sabre locked in on every aspect of sound I want and is practically perfect. I have no desire to look elsewhere for a DAC.

 

Thanks Chris. I think I'm one of those people as well - if I didn't have my Anedio D2 or Invicta, I'd still be perfectly content with X-Sabre. I can see how someone might prefer something else over it but for me - it is the best DAC this side of $1500. Period. 

post #465 of 963

@Project86

Thank you very much for you in-depth review, especially because you have pointed out that the output stage is based on lme 49710, a good opamp.

 

I've a question for you (a little OT).

You have found anedio d2 to be in another league in comparison with x-sabre.

Since d2 have a volume control I'd like to know if its sound is degradated if connected to a preamplifier.

I've found, for example, that Nad m51 reach the best sound without pre.

Is it the same for the anedio d2?

Thanks.

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