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I couldn't find any official info on this, but I suppose the X-Sabre uses the DoP (DSD over PCM) protocol for DSD playback?

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Originally Posted by pekingduck View Post

I couldn't find any official info on this, but I suppose the X-Sabre uses the DoP (DSD over PCM) protocol for DSD playback?

 

Yes. It uses DoP. Works fine with JRiver MC18. Foobar has some plug-ins which will let you do that as well.


Edited by purrin - 4/8/13 at 8:52am
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Purrin beat me to it but I was gonna say - yes, it seems to use DoP when using JRiver. But (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) when using Foobar with the ASIO driver, I believe it's doing native playback. That's why installation and configuration is way more complicated with Foobar compared to JRiver. 

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DoP is native playback. It's only a protocol.

http://zipp.it/i/K32Y5

http://zipp.it/i/G0947


Edited by Esprit - 4/8/13 at 11:05am
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I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get Foobar working with the X-Sabre via ASIO or WASAPI. First sign that I'm getting old, when I can't figure out technology anymore. confused.gif


Edited by Questhate - 4/8/13 at 11:15am
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Drag the foobar plugin from an explorer window into the components list on foobar.
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Originally Posted by Esprit View Post

DoP is native playback. It's only a protocol.

http://zipp.it/i/K32Y5

http://zipp.it/i/G0947

 

OK maybe I worded that wrong... per your first link, Ted Brady (who is around here somewhere in this thread - hi Ted!) described DoP as "a clever way for DAC manufacturers to not have to each write their own ASIO drivers to directly access DSD". X-Sabre does have ASIO drivers so I figure when using that with Foobar, we are not using DoP. Not that it matters much in the end. 

 

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Originally Posted by Questhate View Post

I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get Foobar working with the X-Sabre via ASIO or WASAPI. First sign that I'm getting old, when I can't figure out technology anymore. confused.gif

 

Email Arthur and he can help - it's a little tricky at first but you'll get it. Just have to make sure you do each step which can get confusing. And once you are done, you'll probably have a huge list of devices to choose from - make sure you choose the right one. 

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I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get Foobar working with the X-Sabre via ASIO or WASAPI. First sign that I'm getting old, when I can't figure out technology anymore. confused.gif

 

Dood, just pay up for JRiver and stop fricking around with Foobar. Life's too short once you get older. Paying 1/24 of the price of your DAC for software to alleviate such headaches is well worth it.

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X-Sabre does have ASIO drivers

Only for the wintel world smile.gif

post #445 of 1121

JRiver isn't the end-all solution. Learning how to set up the DAC with your computer is. Foobar is a great product and is even better when you think how much it costs... NOTHING!
 

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Does the X-Sabre implement the DoP v1.0 or v1.1? We are talking 24/88.2 vs 24/176.4 DSD native playback here... There's a difference.
 

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That's what I said to myself while purchasing JRiver until I realized it was still in Alpha phase for the Mac...

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Dood, just pay up for JRiver and stop fricking around with Foobar. Life's too short once you get older. Paying 1/24 of the price of your DAC for software to alleviate such headaches is well worth it.

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GOOD CALL!  biggrin.gif
 

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How do you like your Gungnir DAC "Girls Generation"???  Can you compare it to anything you've used in the past?  THANKS!

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Drag the foobar plugin from an explorer window into the components list on foobar.

 

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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

 

Email Arthur and he can help - it's a little tricky at first but you'll get it. Just have to make sure you do each step which can get confusing. And once you are done, you'll probably have a huge list of devices to choose from - make sure you choose the right one. 

 

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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

 

Dood, just pay up for JRiver and stop fricking around with Foobar. Life's too short once you get older. Paying 1/24 of the price of your DAC for software to alleviate such headaches is well worth it.

 

Yeah, I've done everything -- X-Sabre ASIO, X-Sabre WASAPI, set up a generic ASIO driver. It can't lock onto DSD with Foobar for some reason. I can convert to PCM just fine though. 

 

Not a big deal anyway since JRiver works just fine. Just frustrating that I can't crack the code. I'm not even 30 yet and having a "sonny, please help me set up my VCR" moment. 

 

Anyway, as far as impressions go, I haven't had much time at all to listen. Out of the box, I was disappointed in the treble glare and bass bloom which made things a bit hazy. I've had it on since Thursday and did a bit of listening last night. It's definitely smoothed out and tightened up since then. There's still some glare there on certain recordings that definitely wasn't there on the Gungnir though. 

 

I'm now reading through Purrin and Anax's review and agree with a lot of it. It digs deeper than the Gungnir, but sounds rougher in patches overall. There's more detail, but it's grainier so at times it's jarring to the point I wished that it was smoothed over. My priorities are tonal balance and listenability (lack of jarring flaws) over technicalities, so I'm fairly lukewarm to the X-Sabre for now. It is a more relaxed and open presentation than the dynamic, upfront Gungnir, so I can see someone preferring it for that. I hate a term as nebulous as "PRaT", but that's something I felt the Gungnir was very good at that I'm missing with the X-Sabre. The one part of their review I'd disagree with is "continuousness" where they rated the X-Sabre and Gungnir the same, but I feel the Gungnir wins quite handily on that dimension. (EDIT: Looks like I have reading comprehension issues. I was looking at the wrong row, as they noted liquidity of Gungnir wins)

 

Need to do more listening and maybe tube rolling before finalizing any opinion, but those are the aspects that jumped out at me last night. 


Edited by Questhate - 4/8/13 at 4:20pm
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