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post #256 of 1037
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

 

Good to know. I actually love the tonal balance of the Gungnir - more so than the PWD2 (where it seems to have to constantly mess with the settings/firmware). I've also noted the Gungnir was not as open or expansive sounding, at least when compared to the PWD2.

^ x10.

 

But the fuss was too much. As good as it sounded, sadly.

post #257 of 1037
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Having thought about it for a while, the biggest difference in the Gungnir and X-Sabre is that the Gungnir has a tension to the sound that doesn't let you relax properly. The X-Sabre keeps a similar tonal balance, though perhaps very slightly less bright, but feels like a release after listening to the Gungnir. It's so open and clearly detailed by comparison it sounds much more natural.

Why must you write things like this? Trying to cost me money huh? :)

 

Sometimes its hard to wade through the b.s on headfi, but how you described the gungnir is identical to how I hear it. I find myself struggling at times to relax with my system. While listening to certain songs that I know well, it seems like I'm always bracing myself for the next high note, or the next crash of the cymbal. These nuances are clear as day, but they are HARD sounding. It's fun if you're pretending you're in a night club or in front of powerful speakers. But the sound is as you say, hard to relax and enjoy properply. Sometimes I want to just melt into the music rather than waiting for the next shoe to drop so to speak. Needless to say, I'll be checking the sabre out and will post my impressions.

post #258 of 1037
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Originally Posted by Uncle00Jesse View Post

Why must you write things like this? Trying to cost me money huh? :)

 

Sometimes its hard to wade through the b.s on headfi, but how you described the gungnir is identical to how I hear it. I find myself struggling at times to relax with my system. While listening to certain songs that I know well, it seems like I'm always bracing myself for the next high note, or the next crash of the cymbal. These nuances are clear as day, but they are HARD sounding. It's fun if you're pretending you're in a night club or in front of powerful speakers. But the sound is as you say, hard to relax and enjoy properply. Sometimes I want to just melt into the music rather than waiting for the next shoe to drop so to speak. Needless to say, I'll be checking the sabre out and will post my impressions.

 

 

How you know it's not the Mjolnir?  Just asking...biggrin.gif

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post #260 of 1037
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Originally Posted by Uncle00Jesse View Post

Why must you write things like this? Trying to cost me money huh? :)

 

Sometimes its hard to wade through the b.s on headfi, but how you described the gungnir is identical to how I hear it. I find myself struggling at times to relax with my system. While listening to certain songs that I know well, it seems like I'm always bracing myself for the next high note, or the next crash of the cymbal. These nuances are clear as day, but they are HARD sounding. It's fun if you're pretending you're in a night club or in front of powerful speakers. But the sound is as you say, hard to relax and enjoy properply. Sometimes I want to just melt into the music rather than waiting for the next shoe to drop so to speak. Needless to say, I'll be checking the sabre out and will post my impressions.

 

 

I would think this issue would be far more substantial with the SA5000 as opposed to the LCD-3. The only way I can stomach the SA5000 these days is with the smoothest, most rolled off NOS DAC I can find. 

post #261 of 1037
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How you know it's not the Mjolnir?  Just asking...biggrin.gif

Not you too, how much can I handle in one day! :)

Certainly could be the mj. It's on the aggressive side. My only comparison is to a lyr though. I do think that the dac will make a big impact however, because if I connect an old NAD cd player with no digital outputs straight into the mj, the fatigue isn't there. Of course neither is the micro-detail and stage that I've got accustomed to with the balanced setup.

post #262 of 1037
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Not you too, how much can I handle in one day! :)

Certainly could be the mj. It's on the aggressive side. My only comparison is to a lyr though. I do think that the dac will make a big impact however, because if I connect an old NAD cd player with no digital outputs straight into the mj, the fatigue isn't there. Of course neither is the micro-detail and stage that I've got accustomed to with the balanced setup.

 

Cool - I was really just asking - Did you compare something.  I see you did..wink.gif

post #263 of 1037
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

 

 

I would think this issue would be far more substantial with the SA5000 as opposed to the LCD-3. The only way I can stomach the SA5000 these days is with the smoothest, most rolled off NOS DAC I can find. 

I'm with you. As my components have improved, the "stomachablity" of the SA5000 has deteriorated. I honestly can hear nothing that the sonys do better than the lcd-3. I guess I was expecting that though.. 

post #264 of 1037

Meanwhile in my room, I always fall asleep listening to my rig. :|

post #265 of 1037

I'm merely speaking in absolute terms. You can fall asleep and relax with the schiit stack. It just grabs you by the ears and pummels the sound into you, rather than painting it nicely on the wall allowing you the listener to take in what you please. You don't have that choice in my setup imo, But again, we're nitpickers here trying to find that nirvana. I could easily be happy with what I have. I'm just a head-fi nut at this point.

post #266 of 1037
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Originally Posted by Uncle00Jesse View Post

I'm merely speaking in absolute terms. You can fall asleep and relax with the schiit stack. It just grabs you by the ears and pummels the sound into you, rather than painting it nicely on the wall allowing you the listener to take in what you please. You don't have that choice in my setup imo, But again, we're nitpickers here trying to find that nirvana. I could easily be happy with what I have. I'm just a head-fi nut at this point.

Part of it is Mjolnir's nature. I agree that Gungnir has some shortcoming's compared to other's, etc.

 

But that aggressive nature doesn't just go away. Even with the PWD, there was a unrelenting aggressiveness.

 

With the Octave, things were toned down, I'd say more liquid and nice.

 

Personally, I found it to be a bit boring overall.

 

But perhaps one gets to use to that in your face presentation.

post #267 of 1037
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Originally Posted by Uncle00Jesse View Post

Why must you write things like this? Trying to cost me money huh? :)

 

Don't worry. I'm usually around to pour water on FOTM flames.

 

As far as the dogmatically vigilant nature of the Mjolnir, I'm having a absolutely zero problems with it as a speaker amp. I absolutely love it.

post #268 of 1037
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Originally Posted by Uncle00Jesse View Post

Why must you write things like this? Trying to cost me money huh? :)

 

Sometimes its hard to wade through the b.s on headfi, but how you described the gungnir is identical to how I hear it. I find myself struggling at times to relax with my system. While listening to certain songs that I know well, it seems like I'm always bracing myself for the next high note, or the next crash of the cymbal. These nuances are clear as day, but they are HARD sounding. It's fun if you're pretending you're in a night club or in front of powerful speakers. But the sound is as you say, hard to relax and enjoy properply. Sometimes I want to just melt into the music rather than waiting for the next shoe to drop so to speak. Needless to say, I'll be checking the sabre out and will post my impressions.

Those traits, to me personally, are what I really love about the Gungnir. Most times than not, I want that aggressiveness and that edge, and I still can train my ears to mellow down when I want to. I have been falling asleep to the Schiit stack every night since I got it. After a hard day of work I still want attack, attack, attack. Then when its time to sleep I try and train myself to mellow out and just "flow" to what I'm listening to.  "Enjoy Properly" is a very individualistic trait, my enjoy properly is exactly what you seem to not like about the stack, while your enjoyment sounds like a more natural easy listening approach. Needless to say, I will also be checking out the Sabre, and build a more natural, neutral, and a little more warmer sound. 

post #269 of 1037
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Enjoying this setup at the moment:

 

 

Yulong P18 power conditioner, X-Sabre DAC

 

 

X-Sabre feeds Auralic Taurus which then drives T1, LCD-2.2, Thunderpants, HE-500, or Frogbeats C4

(but not at the same time - this pic is clearly staged)

 

 

Trying to figure out if there's a major difference between X-Sabre single-ended and balanced outputs. So far it seems very similar but I'll keep listening. 

post #270 of 1037
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

Enjoying this setup at the moment:

 

 

Yulong P18 power conditioner, X-Sabre DAC

 

 

 

X-Sabre feeds Auralic Taurus which then drives T1, LCD-2.2, Thunderpants, HE-500, or Frogbeats C4

(but not at the same time - this pic is clearly staged)

 

 

Trying to figure out if there's a major difference between X-Sabre single-ended and balanced outputs. So far it seems very similar but I'll keep listening. 

 

Will there be any official review on the Taurus?

 

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