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post #9781 of 13993
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

Not really, just curious to hear it. The GS-X Mk2 is truly end-game territory. FWIW, I've also gone tube-free for stats too. :o

 

May I ask if you have specific reasons for it? Is it distortion?

post #9782 of 13993
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

 

May I ask if you have specific reasons for it? Is it distortion?

Main reason...simplicity of life. Not having to constantly scour for expensive tubes that can go microphonic on you or outright die (I've had this happen way too many times over the years and I DON'T want to know how much $ I've spent chasing that rabbit). And finally, not having to wait for 30 minutes for the amp to fully warm up is also very convenient.

 

Plus after a year + with the GS-X Mk2, the clarity and detail has been very satisfying that I haven't even considered any changes/additions.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 4/2/14 at 7:18pm
post #9783 of 13993
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post

May I ask what are those priorities of yours that align with the 009's faults? I'm guessing one of them is comfort?

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Comfort? Eh.. not really, but I suppose that is one factor in which the HD800 has a small advantage. My problem is with the soundstage, primarily. Some people, like Purrin, concede soundstage to the land of speakers, and it doesn't count for much in their evaluation of headphones. I'm on the other side, where I think headphones can at least compete with, or even surpass (with CIEMs) speakers in perceived soundstage. Headphones like SR-009s (and virtually all other stat/planar magnetic, and most dynamics) give me the classic headphone hall effect where sound comes from left and right, perhaps slightly in front (around 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock), but many lack a seamless transition from 10 to 2, some not even having a focused center (for vocals, mostly).

For full size headphones the only one that is anywhere near acceptable is the HD800 in this regard. It has a perfectly focused center and is decently seamless from 10 to 2, though not perfect. This is mostly due to the angled drivers, I would guess. I should think any properly set up speaker rig would out-do HD800s in soundstage, but not significantly. HD800s don't require precision placement in the room, or room treatments, and while expensive in the realm of headphones, are relatively cheap compared to a speaker rig capable of what I'm talking about. I've heard some speaker rigs with very natural soundstage. It is a nice experience, but it can be surpassed, especially with certain genres. Electronic music with CIEMs at the top of the soundstage food chain is truly magical. Speakers can't do this holographic imaging with this music. I will say speakers probably have the edge when it comes to music recorded acoustically, rather than virtually (electronic music), though CIEMs are no slouch in that regard either.

So getting back to the SR-009, this hall effect (like I'm literally standing in a hallway with the soundwaves almost exclusively bouncing from the nearby wall to my ears, very little making it direct from source to ears), ruins my experience with a phenomenal piece of engineering. In addition to soundstage, I find it is too polite, lacking excitement, and the bass is slightly lacking in foundation. A softer, smoother bass, that is well layered and detailed, but not ultimately convincing. It is certainly one of the best headphones out there, but as I said, it's main flaw is my top priority. IMO, the Abyss is it's evil twin. It gets the bass foundation and aggression completely right, but misses the boat on detail and treble extension/quantity. Both, however fail the soundstage criteria.
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So you're saying that the HD800 are better than-SR-009?
post #9785 of 13993
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So you're saying that the HD800 are better than-SR-009?

I guess that would be as impossible to answer as deciding between Magneplanar 20.7s and B&W 801Ds. All comes down to one's preferences. (No?)
post #9786 of 13993
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Have you used another amp beyond the LLMk1? It certainly wasn't the final word with the SR-007/9s in amp'ing IMO. :o It was previously mentioned that the HD800s have more detail...I can't agree with this as I'm still hearing things on my favourite recordings that the HD800/GS-X MK2 have seemed to have missed. In terms of soundstaging, the HD800s are still tops in my books. Both are outstanding examples of engineering at its finest. 

 

Not yet, unfortunately. You can mean they can even sound better than they already do?!

post #9787 of 13993

Going to buy a HD800 sometime in the future, just need to clarify some things:

 

Stock Cable - Thoughts? Good enough permanently, good enough until upgrade or should be replaced immediately? I'll give the stock cable a chance for sure when I get it, but would also like to know in advance if I need to save extra for a cable.

 

Revisions - I've read here and there about a 6 kHz decrease and more bass boost in comparison to the old models. Roughly when did that happen, in case I find a used one going in the lower serial number. How has the sound changed over the 20,000+ headphones?

 

Warranty - I've had to repair my Audeze and Hifiman stuff quite a few times, luckily I was under warranty. How are the HD800 generally considered with these types of issue. I am guessing this should a non issue with these, but would still like to get my peace of mind from the members here.

post #9788 of 13993
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Originally Posted by pearljam50000 View Post

So you're saying that the HD800 are better than-SR-009?

For me, yes.
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

Going to buy a HD800 sometime in the future, just need to clarify some things:

Stock Cable - Thoughts? Good enough permanently, good enough until upgrade or should be replaced immediately? I'll give the stock cable a chance for sure when I get it, but would also like to know in advance if I need to save extra for a cable.

Revisions - I've read here and there about a 6 kHz decrease and more bass boost in comparison to the old models. Roughly when did that happen, in case I find a used one going in the lower serial number. How has the sound changed over the 20,000+ headphones?

Warranty - I've had to repair my Audeze and Hifiman stuff quite a few times, luckily I was under warranty. How are the HD800 generally considered with these types of issue. I am guessing this should a non issue with these, but would still like to get my peace of mind from the members here.
Stock cable works well, but it's physical characteristics are rather annoying. If I planned to use it full time in unbalanced configuration I would get another cable.

There are no revisions and no sound changes to the HD800. Any variance is simply testing or manufacturing tolerance.

I've yet to see someone mention they needed a warranty repair on an HD800. They are extremely reliable.
post #9789 of 13993
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


For me, yes.
Stock cable works well, but it's physical characteristics are rather annoying. If I planned to use it full time in unbalanced configuration I would get another cable.

There are no revisions and no sound changes to the HD800. Any variance is simply testing or manufacturing tolerance.

I've yet to see someone mention they needed a warranty repair on an HD800. They are extremely reliable.

The most important thing. Check.

 

What physical aspect of the cable is bothersome to you? Also, yes, I'll be using the HD800 in single ended mode. Is it a sound issue or a bad cable design like the stock Hifiman cable kind of problem?

post #9790 of 13993
The stock cable is about 10 feet long. My amp is generally about 2-3 feet away. Along with being annoying to manage that length, you are guaranteed to have the cable fall all the way to the floor before going back up, meaning you'll have the weight of at least a few extra feet tugging on your head. The cable's composition is a bit heavy as well. My balanced cable is much lighter if you take the same length of each. My balanced cable is a much more manageable 6 feet.

The braid of the cable is easily felt through the sleeving. It's sort of lumpy and doesn't look very nice either.

The plug is somewhat long and unwieldy. Tight spaces can make it hard to use, but even in open area, the extra length can cause it to stick out over the edge of tables and be a snag problem, or just look ugly.
Edited by Maxvla - 4/2/14 at 9:42pm
post #9791 of 13993
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

The stock cable is about 10 feet long. My amp is generally about 2-3 feet away. Along with being annoying to manage that length, you are guaranteed to have the cable fall all the way to the floor before going back up, meaning you'll have the weight of at least a few extra feet tugging on your head. The cable's composition is a bit heavy as well. My balanced cable is much lighter if you take the same length of each. My balanced cable is a much more manageable 6 feet.

The braid of the cable is easily felt through the sleeving. It's sort of lumpy and doesn't look very nice either.

The plug is somewhat long and unwieldy. Tight spaces can make it hard to use, but even in open area, the extra length can cause it to stick out over the edge of tables and be a snag problem, or just look ugly.

Alright, gotcha. Yeah, had the same problem with the stock Audeze cable for desktop use. The same reason I got upgraded cables for them as well. Thanks for pointing that out. If I like them enough after a certain period, I'll definitely pick one up as well?

 

Besides the physical aspect, how is the stock cable sound wise?

post #9792 of 13993
I don't have 2 cables of the same termination. Cables are the last thing I'll bother with, regarding sound, once my system is complete.
post #9793 of 13993
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

Besides the physical aspect, how is the stock cable sound wise?

 

To me it sounds better than the cost of the upgrade. 

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I'll probably stick with the stock cable. My DAC/AMP combo isn't changing for sure. Perhaps a smaller 6 footer cable later. Warranty and reliability seems decent as well. The only thing I was actually worried about was revision changes. I hated dealing with that previously. Would have sucked to get something sounding different than what I auditioned. Seems like it shouldn't be an issue either.

post #9795 of 13993
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Originally Posted by DairyProduce View Post
 

What are some good SET amps for the HD800?

 

I prefer DHTs. That leaves Donald North Stratus, Eddie Current 2A3 / BA / 4-45, Apex Pinnacle, Manley Neoclassic 300B, Woo WA5.

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