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I had picked up an iron only once (to make an extension cable) before attempting my crack and had no issues.  Just make sure you have some decent leaded rosin core solder and then take a few minutes to watch a youtube video or two on basic soldering.  You will be good to go.  Point to point is really easy.  Before attempting the speedball, watch another video on through hole soldering.

 

If you like OTL amps, the crack really is damn good with hd800's, notwithstanding its modest price (assuming you find a tube complement that fits your preferences).  There's a reason innerfidelity, headphonia, and guttenberg all recommend it as a great budget pairing with hd800's and that Tyll added it to his wall of fame.  The crack isn't the last word in detail but is still quite a bit more detailed, dynamic and punchy than many other OTL's (i.e. Woos).  As has been noted a time or two in the past, since Woo and most other OTL's don't load their tubes with constant current, the crack with speedball is a more sophisticated circuit.  Having the space in the enclosure to throw in a pair of fat film output caps with low ESR and dissipation factor is the icing on the cake.  (Fancy/slim aluminum cases have their appeal, but most aren't designed to accommodate caps of this size, and the output caps in OTL's are the final component in the signal path and definitely impact the sound.)

 

Crack isn't quite in the same league with the big boys (e.g. mainline, zana, etc.), but to my ears, it betters many higher price commercial options that are frequently recommended for high impedance phones.

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I had picked up an iron only once (to make an extension cable) before attempting my crack and had no issues.  Just make sure you have some decent leaded rosin core solder and then take a few minutes to watch a youtube video or two on basic soldering.  You will be good to go.  Point to point is really easy.  Before attempting the speedball, watch another video on through hole soldering.

 

If you like OTL amps, the crack really is damn good with hd800's, notwithstanding its modest price (assuming you find a tube complement that fits your preferences).  There's a reason innerfidelity, headphonia, and guttenberg all recommend it as a great budget pairing with hd800's and that Tyll added it to his wall of fame.  The crack isn't the last word in detail but is still quite a bit more detailed, dynamic and punchy than many other OTL's (i.e. Woos).  As has been noted a time or two in the past, since Woo and most other OTL's don't load their tubes with constant current, the crack with speedball is a more sophisticated circuit.  Having the space in the enclosure to throw in a pair of fat film output caps with low ESR and dissipation factor is the icing on the cake.  (Fancy/slim aluminum cases have their appeal, but most aren't designed to accommodate caps of this size, and the output caps in OTL's are the final component in the signal path and definitely impact the sound.)

 

Crack isn't quite in the same league with the big boys (e.g. mainline, zana, etc.), but to my ears, it betters many higher price commercial options that are frequently recommended for high impedance phones.

 

What's the mainline like compared to your modded crack? Or the zana if you've heard it?

 

Also - what's the main difference in sound character between OTL and SET really? I really haven't heard enough tube amps to know.


Edited by TwoEars - 4/2/14 at 12:45pm
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It's definitely worth the price of admission. I tool around all the time on cars, but hadn't picked up a soldering iron in a decade and was able to get the whole thing done in about two days with minimal difficulty. Absolutely more fun than it was frustrating and it sounds pretty good. It's an easy recommendation for me.

 

Thanks for the feedback - hopefully work will calm down enough in the near term for me to sit down and get that thing put together!

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I always read that the STAX SR-009 is better than HD800 , i wonder in what way are they better, and how much in % are they better?

 

I have both and I would say that the SR-009 is the better sounding headphone, but not by a whole lot. I would say an HD-800 is 90% of an SR-009. And given the cost, the HD-800 is much better value, especially since you need an electrostatic amp for the SR-009. The HD800 has better imaging, a larger soundstage and is more comfortable. I think that anyone here who really likes the HD-800 will really like the SR-009 as well, they both sound great on pretty much all genres and have a similar tonal balance.

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I have both and I would say that the SR-009 is the better sounding headphone, but not by a whole lot. I would say an HD-800 is 90% of an SR-009. And given the cost, the HD-800 is much better value, especially since you need an electrostatic amp for the SR-009. The HD800 has better imaging, a larger soundstage and is more comfortable. I think that anyone here who really likes the HD-800 will really like the SR-009 as well, they both sound great on pretty much all genres and have a similar tonal balance.

Do you use the cavalli to run the HD800's? 

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I have both and I would say that the SR-009 is the better sounding headphone, but not by a whole lot. I would say an HD-800 is 90% of an SR-009. And given the cost, the HD-800 is much better value, especially since you need an electrostatic amp for the SR-009. The HD800 has better imaging, a larger soundstage and is more comfortable. I think that anyone here who really likes the HD-800 will really like the SR-009 as well, they both sound great on pretty much all genres and have a similar tonal balance.
I really like HD800s, and think SR-009s are great headphones, but my priorities are such that they align with the 009s' faults, so they aren't headphones I am personally fond of, but I can see why some would be.
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I really like HD800s, and think SR-009s are great headphones, but my priorities are such that they align with the 009s' faults, so they aren't headphones I am personally fond of, but I can see why some would be.

I'm looking forward to finishing off my HD800 rig - when i get the Stratus and a good DAC maybe the new Schiit or the AGDM7 i will be a very happy person indeed. 

 

A fellow headfier who lives near me just acquired the Sennheiser Orpheus and he uses a Dubiel Accoustics Eurydice electrostatic amp to power them. I might bring my DNA/HD800 down when i get it and do some comparisons. Another headfier has 009/BHSE and has invited me to his house for a listening session in the summer. 

 

It will be interesting to hear these 3 rigs, i just hope i don't start to prefer any of them to my own :( - that is usually what happens with me and guitar hunting, so it is likely to occur here, you know, you always want what you don't have. 

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I really like HD800s, and think SR-009s are great headphones, but my priorities are such that they align with the 009s' faults, so they aren't headphones I am personally fond of, but I can see why some would be.

 

May I ask what are those priorities of yours that align with the 009's faults? I'm guessing one of them is comfort?

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May I ask what are those priorities of yours that align with the 009's faults? I'm guessing one of them is comfort?

+1

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Do you use the cavalli to run the HD800's? 

 

No, it's solely an electrostatic amp. I use my NuForce DAC-100 to power my HD-800, and it's actually a great sounding combination in my opinion (highly recommended by Jude and other head-fi'ers). The DAC-100 is around $1000 and the Liquid Lightning around $5000, so I guess it's not really a fair comparison. I could definitely get a TOTL dynamic amplifier and the HD-800 would sound better than it does now, and it would probably get closer in overall sound quality to the SR-009, but I can't imagine the SR-009 still not sounding better. At that point we're almost splitting hairs I suppose (but that's one thing about Summit-Fi, right?). I'm just happy I'm fortunate enough to own and listen to both headphones. :D 

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I have both and I would say that the SR-009 is the better sounding headphone, but not by a whole lot. I would say an HD-800 is 90% of an SR-009. And given the cost, the HD-800 is much better value, especially since you need an electrostatic amp for the SR-009. The HD800 has better imaging, a larger soundstage and is more comfortable. I think that anyone here who really likes the HD-800 will really like the SR-009 as well, they both sound great on pretty much all genres and have a similar tonal balance.

Have you used another amp beyond the LLMk1? It certainly wasn't the final word with the SR-007/9s in amp'ing IMO. :o It was previously mentioned that the HD800s have more detail...I can't agree with this as I'm still hearing things on my favourite recordings that the HD800/GS-X MK2 have seemed to have missed. In terms of soundstaging, the HD800s are still tops in my books. Both are outstanding examples of engineering at its finest. 

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Have you used another amp beyond the LLMk1? It certainly wasn't the final word with the SR-007/9s in amp'ing IMO. :o It was previously mentioned that the HD800s have more detail...I can't agree with this as I'm still hearing things on my favourite recordings that the HD800/GS-X MK2 have seemed to have missed. In terms of soundstaging, the HD800s are still tops in my books. Both are outstanding examples of engineering at its finest. 

I would love to hear what you think of the DNA Stratus with HD800. You haven't heard it tough have you? 

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I would love to hear what you think of the DNA Stratus with HD800. You haven't heard it tough have you? 

Not the Stratus...not yet anyway.

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Not the Stratus...not yet anyway.
Do i detect a hint of tube lust there MH? I thought you had gone "SS only" for non-electrostats! wink.gif
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Do i detect a hint of tube lust there MH? I thought you had gone "SS only" for non-electrostats! wink.gif

Not really, just curious to hear it. The GS-X Mk2 is truly end-game territory. FWIW, I've also gone tube-free for stats too. :o

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