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post #9601 of 13929
Come on guys... we beat a dead horse here. Every music is listenable on every equipment. Fully enjoyment is a matter of taste but some equipments is more suited than other for different music. I personally can listen to everything with my hd800. But if listened mostly rock & pop I would definitely choose another headphone.

IMO, IME ...
post #9602 of 13929

The issue is loving certain attributes unique to the HD800 (soundstage, depth, resolution) but wanting to ameliorate its perceived weaknesses.

 

It's like working with a sports car with too much understeer like the old Porsche 911s circa early 90s. One works with the suspension to try to fix it rather than buy a C4 Corvette.

post #9603 of 13929
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

The issue is loving certain attributes unique to the HD800 (soundstage, depth, resolution) but wanting to ameliorate its perceived weaknesses.

It's like working with a sports car with too much understeer like the old Porsche 911s circa early 90s. One works with the suspension to try to fix it rather than buy a C4 Corvette.

That's a bit exaggerated comparison but it.s quite fair. IMO fixing the hd800 is subtile enough to be fixed with carefully choosen gear. For my musical tastes.

But one more time we agree so we can shut up peacefully. :cheers:
post #9604 of 13929
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

I'm surprised Head-Fi is not based in Paris!

 

No, but more seriously, the reason I posted some of the stuff is because I felt it could be beneficial for some people (us plebeians who do listen to silly music like rock and pop) to at least try the Anax mod, try experimenting with it, since there are four versions of it I've actually seen "in-the-field" from the meets I have attended, some with deleterious effects. I totally understand why that person who tried the mod didn't like it. I also wanted to put the mod into perspective, where the person (he is banned) who created it was coming from, and point out what it can do, both good and not so good.

 

I'm just surprised I get attacked for that, e.g., "if I were you, I'd buy another headphone", "you enjoying splitting hairs over the curse aspect", etc.

 

I mean people talk about cables, amps, specific tubes, to mellow out the HD800's brightness (even though they don't explicitly say they are doing this). I'm suggesting a few dollars of materials and five minutes with scissors. Geez.


I don't think that what you are suggesting is a problem.  It's how you put forth your suggestion/evaluation of the HD800.  I believe that you are quite a knowledgeable guy when it comes to HPs and audio components but honestly, you do come across as arrogant and "know it all".  This is quite apparent, IMO, in your reviews and posts(yes, I've read many of them :D).  I absolutely don't mind and filter out what I perceive as positive and useful from your posting. 

Don't get me wrong! I am not saying you should be PC in anyway.  We are all entitled to what and how we wanna say in an open forum.  I am just giving you my honest cyberspace impression of you as a person and hope to clarify some of the hostility directed at you.

 

Peace...

post #9605 of 13929

I've enjoyed reading this whole little debate. And thanks to Purrin for putting up with us :) 

 

The treble is always going to be an issue with this headphone, whether one thinks it is analytical or another thinks it is emphasized. Its been an issue since day one. So the debate will go on as long as the headphone is here imo. 

 

Just for the record, I use warmer than neutral amps because that is my preferred sound with the HD800. And while I wouldn't mod them, I also wouldn't use them with a low impedance ss amp either. They are very adaptable and change easily - impedance matching, tube distortions etc effect them more than most hp's. Every amp I've tried has sounded different.  

 

So in that respect, one man's HD800 will not sound the same as another man's. (or woman's. phew..!) So any mods done to the HD800 may not have the same effect as another's (man or woman.... Or manwoman?).  

post #9606 of 13929

the HD800 is good with electronic?

post #9607 of 13929
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Originally Posted by maconhel View Post

the HD800 is good with electronic?

Yes sir but not for all electronic music. The hd800 is astonishingly good with ambient, down tempo,deep house and some stuff like burial or BT experimental work for example. Everytime you need to feel the atmosphere & be immersed in music, the hd800 does marvels. For electronics that need some funny mid-bass hump... some other headphones are more enjoyable still in my opinion. For some electronics , the Inherent slightly bright nature of the hd800 could be an issue. It's often the case with electronic dance music for example or dubstep.
Edited by Sorrodje - 3/27/14 at 10:28am
post #9608 of 13929

Recordings that emphasize cymbals (or cymbal-like stuff) might be problematic, electronic or not.

post #9609 of 13929

I listen to a lot of pop, soul, R&B, and hip-hop on my HD800s and I like it better than most all other headphones I've owned or heard (that includes all the flagships except for the HE-6).  And I listen to it with a stock cable and unmodded!

post #9610 of 13929
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 


I don't think that what you are suggesting is a problem.  It's how you put forth your suggestion/evaluation of the HD800.  I believe that you are quite a knowledgeable guy when it comes to HPs and audio components but honestly, you do come across as arrogant and "know it all".  This is quite apparent, IMO, in your reviews and posts(yes, I've read many of them :D).  I absolutely don't mind and filter out what I perceive as positive and useful from your posting. 

Don't get me wrong! I am not saying you should be PC in anyway.  We are all entitled to what and how we wanna say in an open forum.  I am just giving you my honest cyberspace impression of you as a person and hope to clarify some of the hostility directed at you.

 

Peace...

 

LOL. Let me rewrite my original post:

 

For those who may find the HD800s illuminating nature distracting with the most poor of recordings, the Anaxilus modification is one consideration of many. While we have typically resorted to cables, tube amps - sometimes going to the extent of selecting specific tubes to match the HD800 characteristics, none of these approaches requires any sort of handiwork on part of the listener other than plugging things in. This modification is more for those who are so inclined to visit the local crafts store and use a pair to scissors to painstakingly cut out a pattern. Because of the near perfection of the HD800, it would perfectly understandable if one wanted to outright dismiss this modification, or even think that any would be necessary other than appropriate matching of upstream gear, use of appropriate cables, and careful selection of the most pristine recordings. The fact that there are several real-world implementations of the modification with varying results, some with more deleterious effects than others, should be reason enough not to attempt it.

 

This Anaxilus modification will to some extent make poor recordings more palatable on the HD800. There are some inconveniences though. Some may find that the slight dimming effect of the modification reduces the exuberance and liveliness of the HD800. Some who have tried the "rug liner" variation of modification have remarked that it reduces the width of the stage and the reverberous effect of the stock HD800, but with a possible upside of more a determinate or unequivocal placement of instruments on the stage. In regards to these differences in tonal balance and tradeoffs in headstage, we have to ask ourselves which is right? This we cannot answer and it is up to the listener to decide.

 

Now let's compare to the first three substantive posts I made.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/650510/the-new-hd800-appreciation-thread/9480#post_10392768

http://www.head-fi.org/t/650510/the-new-hd800-appreciation-thread/9510#post_10394910

http://www.head-fi.org/t/650510/the-new-hd800-appreciation-thread/9510#post_10394959

 

Yeah right. **** me. I just can't be JA of Stereophile. I'm not British. And I was even very careful to dance around and not call the HD800 a fricking face-tweeter.


Edited by purrin - 3/27/14 at 11:22am
post #9611 of 13929

I recently ran the hd800 off a Jeff Korneff 45 tube integrated which is a 2watt/channel speaker amp just for kicks by  i putting a 8ohm resistor accross the speaker taps.

The sound was pretty good but the problem is not practical to use this way long term.  The amp only has one set of speaker outputs and toggling back and forth between the headphones and speakers and taking the resistors on and off is a hassle.

 

yea I'm still searching for a solid state integrated to replace my unit that died last month.  Would like to kill a 2 birds with one stone somethign like a Mcinstosh, Luxman or Accuphase long term would be cool.  Schiit Ragnrok Im not hearing too much about esp. with hd800 but anyone have any experience with something along those lines like a Audio GD Precision 1/2

post #9612 of 13929
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Originally Posted by Failed Engineer View Post
 

I listen to a lot of pop, soul, R&B, and hip-hop on my HD800s and I like it better than most all other headphones I've owned or heard (that includes all the flagships except for the HE-6).  And I listen to it with a stock cable and unmodded!


Maybe your Metrum Hex pairs well w your HD800s

post #9613 of 13929
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

 

LOL. Let me rewrite my original post:

 

For those who may find the HD800s illuminating nature distracting with the most poor of recordings, the Anaxilus modification is one consideration of many. While we have typically resorted to cables, tube amps - sometimes going to the extent of selecting specific tubes to match the HD800 characteristics, none of these approaches requires any sort of handiwork on part of the listener other than plugging things in. This modification is more for those who are so inclined to visit the local crafts store and use a pair to scissors to painstakingly cut out a pattern. Because of the near perfection of the HD800, it would perfectly understandable if one wanted to outright dismiss this modification, or even think that any would be necessary other than appropriate matching of upstream gear, use of appropriate cables, and careful selection of the most pristine recordings. The fact that there are several real-world implementations of the modification with varying results, some with more deleterious effects than others, should be reason enough not to attempt it.

 

This Anaxilus modification will to some extent make poor recordings more palatable on the HD800. There are some inconveniences though. Some may find that the slight dimming effect of the modification reduces the exuberance and liveliness of the HD800. Some who have tried the "rug liner" variation of modification have remarked that it reduces the width of the stage and the reverberous effect of the stock HD800, but with a possible upside of more a determinate or unequivocal placement of instruments on the stage. In regards to these differences in tonal balance and tradeoffs in headstage, we have to ask ourselves which is right? This we cannot answer and it is up to the listener to decide.

 

Now let's compare to the first three substantive posts I made.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/650510/the-new-hd800-appreciation-thread/9480#post_10392768

http://www.head-fi.org/t/650510/the-new-hd800-appreciation-thread/9510#post_10394910

http://www.head-fi.org/t/650510/the-new-hd800-appreciation-thread/9510#post_10394959

 

Yeah right. **** me. I just can't be JA of Stereophile. I'm not British. And I was even very careful to dance around and not call the HD800 a fricking face-tweeter.

:D Your honor, I rest my case and concede that HD800 is indeed a face-tweeter...

post #9614 of 13929
Bahaha 'fricking face-tweeter' cracked me up hard. biggrin.gif
post #9615 of 13929
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Originally Posted by Failed Engineer View Post
 

I listen to a lot of pop, soul, R&B, and hip-hop on my HD800s and I like it better than most all other headphones I've owned or heard (that includes all the flagships except for the HE-6).  And I listen to it with a stock cable and unmodded!

 

Fo Sho....:biggrin: 

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