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post #9526 of 13432

Hmm

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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

Would probably lose bass without the screen.

 

So something that creates pressure for the bass yet controls reflections?   Perhaps what you really need is expanded earcups like the R10 to move the open baffle away from the wall.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post
 

What makes you say that this is obsolete technology? I don't see anything obsolete about it. Please expand.

 

The measurements and performance from hiface stuff is not that great when compared with other USB audio solutions.  Perhaps I could have been more clear but, it was kind of a flippant comment based on my discussion with Al.


Edited by Stapsy - 3/25/14 at 6:13pm
post #9527 of 13432
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Originally Posted by Stapsy View Post

 

So something that creates pressure for the bass yet controls reflections?   Perhaps what you really need is expanded earcups like the R10 to move the open baffle away from the wall.

 

The secret to the R10 is not the drivers. It's the cups.

post #9528 of 13432
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Originally Posted by Stapsy View Post
 

Hmm

 

So something that creates pressure for the bass yet controls reflections?   Perhaps what you really need is expanded earcups like the R10 to move the open baffle away from the wall.

 

 

 

The measurements and performance from hiface stuff is not that great when compared with other USB audio solutions.  Perhaps I could have been more clear but, it was kind of a flippant comment based on my discussion with Al.


I thought the M2Tech USB solution was suppose to be half decent (based on Elberoth's shootout of 15 USB interfaces).

post #9529 of 13432
It's more than decent! A great product for many that are not in the market for that extra 5% of uber fidelity. Beyond a certain "uber" point of hearing perception, spending money on uber DACs or related digital products is basically pissing money away (and I have done a lot of the latter over the years).

(Uber and out.)
post #9530 of 13432
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

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Dynamic driver technology tends to be more resolving than planar. It's really just a matter of Sennheiser making a headphone with the HD800's resolving capabilities which isn't as bright. The Anax modded HD800 or HD800 with EQ sound just as resolving to me, but without pain when used with rock or popular music recordings. The reason classical or natural instrument recordings tends to be fine with the HD800 is that they are much more bandwidth limited. One can even argue that the HD800s brightness works in favor of recordings which are bandwidth limited in the treble.

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Obviously preferences for musical taste are different and no one is right or wrong but to decide if a headphone reproduces a sound as close as possible to the original (to the highest fidelity), my personal reference is the comparison to acoustic instruments and voices. Where is the bandwidth limitation between the lowest registers of a church organ and the highest notes on a violin ? Sorry I don't get the point here.

 

With an electric guitar or a synthesizer you are hearing the sound of the amp and speaker and not directly the sound of the instrument in the first place.

Rock and pop music are already working with amps and effects to make it more interesting / exciting. Most often it is mixed to sound great on "budget" (teenage budget) equipment and not on high end speakers or headphones. To take such a source material as example that the HD800 w/o mod or EQ is painful doesn't make too much sense to me. If your favorite style of music needs the HD800 to be modded or EQ'd, go for it. It's all about getting the most fun out of this hobby. I would just choose a different headphone.

 

But hey, I don't have any issues with all the negatives anyway (no mod. HD800 classic ;)).

post #9531 of 13432
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Originally Posted by Golfnutz View Post


I thought the M2Tech USB solution was suppose to be half decent (based on Elberoth's shootout of 15 USB interfaces).

 

It's decent. But we are looking for the last few percent. Elberoth's USB / SPDIF shootout also lacks one crucial element: the use of the i2s interface on DACs that will take i2s. In my experience, i2s was another step up compared to the SPDIF output from the OR5 on the PWD2 and M7. Considering how small the differences are, if the M2Tech USB is 80 points, the OR5 SPDIF 90 points, I'd say the OR5 i2s ethernet is 125 points and OR5 HDMI i2s 140 points.

post #9532 of 13432
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Originally Posted by icebear View Post

 

Rock and pop music are already working with amps and effects to make it more interesting / exciting. Most often it is mixed to sound great on "budget" (teenage budget) equipment and not on high end speakers or headphones.

 

That's nonsense. You obviously haven't heard some well engineered rock or pop albums. Not all classical is recorded or mastered well either.

 

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Originally Posted by icebear View Post

 

To take such a source material as example that the HD800 w/o mod or EQ is painful doesn't make too much sense to me. If your favorite style of music needs the HD800 to be modded or EQ'd, go for it. It's all about getting the most fun out of this hobby. I would just choose a different headphone.

 

I don't understand. First you say go for the mods. Then you say choose a different headphone.


Edited by purrin - 3/25/14 at 8:26pm
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Edited by Nimzerz - 3/25/14 at 9:01pm
post #9534 of 13432
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Originally Posted by Mambosenior View Post

It's more than decent! A great product for many that are not in the market for that extra 5% of uber fidelity. Beyond a certain "uber" point of hearing perception, spending money on uber DACs or related digital products is basically pissing money away (and I have done a lot of the latter over the years).

(Uber and out.)

+1 I use it and I like it.

post #9535 of 13432

I swear that there got to be a know it all everywhere you go in life...without a doubt.  :D

post #9536 of 13432

Honest question: between the lyr and BHC w/sb, what would give the hd800 the best pairing (both using uberfrost) ?

 

 

thanks...

post #9537 of 13432

The LYR is no contest with the BHC + speed ball for the HD 800. The BHC + S is better sounding by a wide margin for HD 800.


Edited by punit - 3/26/14 at 4:32am
post #9538 of 13432

Somehow quoting wasn't working properly, so I cut and pasted the entire thing:

 

 

Quote orig. posted by purrin:

 

Originally Posted by icebear View Post

 

Rock and pop music are already working with amps and effects to make it more interesting / exciting. Most often it is mixed to sound great on "budget" (teenage budget) equipment and not on high end speakers or headphones.

 

That's nonsense. You obviously haven't heard some well engineered rock or pop albums. Not all classical is recorded or mastered well either. (1)

 

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Originally Posted by icebear View Post

 

To take such a source material as example that the HD800 w/o mod or EQ is painful doesn't make too much sense to me. If your favorite style of music needs the HD800 to be modded or EQ'd, go for it. It's all about getting the most fun out of this hobby. I would just choose a different headphone.

 

I don't understand. First you say go for the mods. Then you say choose a different headphone. (2)  ] Unquote

 

 

(1) : What do you regard as well engineered rock or pop albums ?

 

(2) : If you go back to my orig. post ...

 

[Quote : If your favorite style of music needs the HD800 to be modded or EQ'd, go for it.

It's all about getting the most fun out of this hobby. I would just choose a different headphone.]

 

...you will recognize what I said, meaning: your solution might not be the same as mine, simple as that.

I obviously have a different musical preference i.e. mostly acoustic Jazz and classic.

So it's no surprise at all that we have vastly different impressions about the HD800.
 

 

 

 

 


Edited by icebear - 3/26/14 at 4:35am
post #9539 of 13432
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Originally Posted by punit View Post
 

The LYR is no contest with the BHC + speed ball for the HD 800. The BHC + S is better sounding by a wide margin for HD 800.

 

Thank you for that. 

post #9540 of 13432
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

 

It's decent. But we are looking for the last few percent. Elberoth's USB / SPDIF shootout also lacks one crucial element: the use of the i2s interface on DACs that will take i2s. In my experience, i2s was another step up compared to the SPDIF output from the OR5 on the PWD2 and M7. Considering how small the differences are, if the M2Tech USB is 80 points, the OR5 SPDIF 90 points, I'd say the OR5 i2s ethernet is 125 points and OR5 HDMI i2s 140 points.

 

Way off topic here but:

 

That's a bit of a stretch.  I've heard them all as well.  IMO those i2S runs are just to long, I would rather have my USB to i2S conversion done inside the DAC.  Anyway comparing apples to apples (USB to SPDIF) (no i2S) the Alpha USB is a better solution.  YMMV.


Edited by preproman - 3/26/14 at 5:48am
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