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post #9526 of 18467

I swear that there got to be a know it all everywhere you go in life...without a doubt.  :D

post #9527 of 18467

Honest question: between the lyr and BHC w/sb, what would give the hd800 the best pairing (both using uberfrost) ?

 

 

thanks...

post #9528 of 18467

The LYR is no contest with the BHC + speed ball for the HD 800. The BHC + S is better sounding by a wide margin for HD 800.


Edited by punit - 3/26/14 at 4:32am
post #9529 of 18467

Somehow quoting wasn't working properly, so I cut and pasted the entire thing:

 

 

Quote orig. posted by purrin:

 

Originally Posted by icebear View Post

 

Rock and pop music are already working with amps and effects to make it more interesting / exciting. Most often it is mixed to sound great on "budget" (teenage budget) equipment and not on high end speakers or headphones.

 

That's nonsense. You obviously haven't heard some well engineered rock or pop albums. Not all classical is recorded or mastered well either. (1)

 

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Originally Posted by icebear View Post

 

To take such a source material as example that the HD800 w/o mod or EQ is painful doesn't make too much sense to me. If your favorite style of music needs the HD800 to be modded or EQ'd, go for it. It's all about getting the most fun out of this hobby. I would just choose a different headphone.

 

I don't understand. First you say go for the mods. Then you say choose a different headphone. (2)  ] Unquote

 

 

(1) : What do you regard as well engineered rock or pop albums ?

 

(2) : If you go back to my orig. post ...

 

[Quote : If your favorite style of music needs the HD800 to be modded or EQ'd, go for it.

It's all about getting the most fun out of this hobby. I would just choose a different headphone.]

 

...you will recognize what I said, meaning: your solution might not be the same as mine, simple as that.

I obviously have a different musical preference i.e. mostly acoustic Jazz and classic.

So it's no surprise at all that we have vastly different impressions about the HD800.
 

 

 

 

 


Edited by icebear - 3/26/14 at 4:35am
post #9530 of 18467
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Originally Posted by punit View Post
 

The LYR is no contest with the BHC + speed ball for the HD 800. The BHC + S is better sounding by a wide margin for HD 800.

 

Thank you for that. 

post #9531 of 18467
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

 

It's decent. But we are looking for the last few percent. Elberoth's USB / SPDIF shootout also lacks one crucial element: the use of the i2s interface on DACs that will take i2s. In my experience, i2s was another step up compared to the SPDIF output from the OR5 on the PWD2 and M7. Considering how small the differences are, if the M2Tech USB is 80 points, the OR5 SPDIF 90 points, I'd say the OR5 i2s ethernet is 125 points and OR5 HDMI i2s 140 points.

 

Way off topic here but:

 

That's a bit of a stretch.  I've heard them all as well.  IMO those i2S runs are just to long, I would rather have my USB to i2S conversion done inside the DAC.  Anyway comparing apples to apples (USB to SPDIF) (no i2S) the Alpha USB is a better solution.  YMMV.


Edited by preproman - 3/26/14 at 5:48am
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I'm sure others will disagree but I do not care
I know what I hear and I own them.
And for anyone here to post a statement based on a few mins
Claim to fame review is just wrong.
Do you own them. ???
So I do and I have listened and i2 a is better all around
But as not all DACS have these additional inputs
He made it a square comparison.
As for cable l length yes it matters. But very little
But what does really matter is cable quality
And I doubt the one saying this spent money on a psa audio
Ac12. There bestidel. Anyway I now I am attacking but I am getting tired of opinions based on a 5 min listen
And elbroth owns ultra hi end EQ

Al
post #9533 of 18467
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

Way off topic here but:

 

That's a bit of a stretch.  I've heard them all as well.  IMO those i2S runs are just to long, I would rather have my USB to i2S conversion done inside the DAC.  Anyway comparing apples to apples (USB to SPDIF) (no i2S) the Alpha USB is a better solution.  YMMV.

 

I thought the BADA USB was about the same as the OR5 stock (tried with Alpha 2, PWD2, Vega). As far as i2s, no one is forcing you to use long runs. Terminate your own or have custom cables made. I don't blame you if wanted a single box solution though.

 

You moved up to a higher price bracket and don't even own said DACs anymore anyways; and from what I understand have never even heard the OR5 via i2s with either the PWD2 or M7, much less the HDMI i2s implementation in the M7. In fact, I'm not even sure you've even heard the OR5.


Edited by purrin - 3/26/14 at 9:33am
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BTW, I listen to everything. Most of my CDs are classical.

 

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Originally Posted by icebear View Post

 

...you will recognize what I said, meaning: your solution might not be the same as mine, simple as that.

I obviously have a different musical preference i.e. mostly acoustic Jazz and classic.

So it's no surprise at all that we have vastly different impressions about the HD800.

 

But isn't that exactly what I said in my original post? That folks who listen to mostly classical will not have an issue with the HD800, i.e., they will not find it bright. I simply offered an explanation as to why. Just do a frequency analysis of natural instrument recordings in Adobe Audition and compare with a track like the Talking Heads / Naive Melody (the remaster from about five years ago). If the treble content is subdued, even headphones with spikes and other irregularities in the treble like the AKG K812 or HD700 will not have any serious issues.

 

This is why I don't understand exactly what you are trying to get at.


Edited by purrin - 3/26/14 at 9:30am
post #9535 of 18467
You go get them.
Al
post #9536 of 18467
Your understanding is not quite correct.

Not on the Master 7 but compared a maxed out OR5 and the Alpha USB in all ways possible on the PWD2. Back to my point - Your point spread is grossly over hyped. I found the Alpha USB beat out the maxed out OR5. That's not the point either, I think we all hear the same things but we just have different preferences.
post #9537 of 18467
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

but compared a maxed out OR5 and the Alpha USB in all ways possible on the PWD2. 
 
Pictures or it didn't happen.

 

Also, how can you say my point spread is not quite correct when you haven't heard the i2s on the M7?


Edited by purrin - 3/26/14 at 10:25am
post #9538 of 18467
As far as long i2S runs goes. Any i2S run out side the Dac is to long. It was never meant to be used that way.
post #9539 of 18467
Pictures? ha ha ha. They're gone so I guess it didn't happen.

A maxed out OR5 and the Alpha USB is just to close to call.
post #9540 of 18467
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

As far as long i2S runs goes. Any i2S run out side the Dac is to long. It was never meant to be used that way.

 

To some extent I agree with that. But what do you understand about i2s signaling? Are you saying the PSA/W2S i2s standard (differential signaling with the four lines) was created by retards, that it was created by noobs who didn't care about the integrity of the signal at the tail end?

 

Have you seen DacLadder's measurements and the work he's done on improving the RJ45 i2s transmission to the M7 (which BTW was not ideal) He got measurably better results with resistor changes (for a more ideal match with the OR5), and better shielded cables. In the end, he ditched the RJ45 in favor of the LVDS HDMI of the PSA/W2S for more consistent results regardless of cables.

 

Using your logic, airplanes shaped like the F117 and B2 were never meant to fly, and separate CD transports and DACs using external SPDIF via coax should have never meant to be.

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