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post #9436 of 24358

hello,

          could someone please tell or show a link for this meet

                                                                                       thanks

post #9437 of 24358
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post

 

That's crazy. :D

 

But while I have you... so in your experience the Zana Deux is the pick of the bunch if one wants to stay with resonably priced tube rolling options?

 

I believe I've read that it has a rich midrage but still plenty of drive correct?

 

I can't say it's the pick of the bunch, but rather it sounds the most different having a certain euphonic presentation which people may or may not like. But it's as you said: Don't need to roll output tubes and only need to worry about the 6SL7, of which there are still plenty good ones at reasonable cost. BTW, for the HD800, I actually think the older ZDs with the soybean oil paper and foil caps sound better (more resolving and smoother in the treble) than the ZDSEs with the Obligatos.

 

Plenty of drive, but running the ZDSE in low impedance mode will drop the gain, which is something we don't want for inefficient orthos such as the HFMs. The ZD is best with the higher impedance headphones, i.e. from Sennheiser, Beyer Classic 250/300/600 ohm, etc.


Edited by purrin - 3/21/14 at 12:27pm
post #9438 of 24358
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

 

I can't say it's the pick of the bunch, but rather it sounds the most different having a certain euphonic presentation which people may or may not like. But it's as you said: Don't need to roll output tubes and only need to worry about the 6SL7, of which there are still plenty good ones at reasonable cost. BTW, for the HD800, I actually think the older ZDs with the soybean oil paper and foil caps sound better (more resolving and smoother in the treble) than the ZDSEs with the Obligatos.

 

Plenty of drive, but running the ZDSE in low impedance mode will drop the gain, which is something we don't want for inefficient orthos such as the HFMs. The ZD is best with the higher impedance headphones, i.e. from Sennheiser, Beyer Classic 250/300/600 ohm, etc.

 

Thanks!

 

I might get one if it pops up on the second hand market just to try it out.

 

Good to know the older ones are no problem and I don't have to go for a SE as well, that's useful information!

post #9439 of 24358
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Originally Posted by zeissiez View Post
 I mean instead of thin and bright the HD800 tend to sound without EQ, which amp can give a weighty, LCD-like, smooth, close-to-live, musical sound?

 

I get a similar sound to what you are describing with some 70's vintage amps (did I here someone yawn? Yes thats right! its another vintage rant :D) You will not get a sound like that (bolded) with any high-end dedicated amps, as in general the higher end you go - the less colouration. Even attributes such as smoothness can be attributed to a colouring of sorts. The sound should only be smooth if the recording itself is. 

 

Getting back to a weighty musical sound though, which is how I like my music too. Most good 70's vintage amps were tuned to have a very musical tone. In those days it was more about making the music sound good as opposed to the highest resolution and detail extraction (which of course sounds good if the recording is perfect). The good thing about the HD800's is that they will sound-like whatever you plug them in to. They are a great tool for listening to amps. 

 

I would recommend trying an SX Pioneer, Technics or 80's NAD with the HD800. I would stay clear of Marantz unless you want a really warm sound. I find them to be a little "all fur coat and no knickers" in the refinement department. 'Fun' yes, but not good enough for the HD800. I was very surprised how the HD800's sounded when I got my first vintage amp (SX550 Pioneer). The bass especially become more prominent. The sound seemed warmer, smoother and more musical as a whole compared to my Audio GD and Matrix amp I had at the time. Also, although the HD800's are very sensitive, they do sound great with lots of power and some of these older machines have enough juice to fuel even the harder to please planars like the HE6 from the headphone out. (apparently. But who am I to argue with the likes of Skylab)

 

One thing worth mentioning that you don't get however, and this can be a deal breaker depending on what music you listen to. You don't get the completely black backround as you do with lower impedance hp amps. Some vintage amps can have some slight hiss. This is caused from the high impedance output and the sensitivity of the HD800. Some don't, but most aren't completely black.  

 

Anyways, just some food for thought there and a little change from the usual suspects that get constantly recommended on here. The ones that I wish I could afford! :D 

 

I've not paid over $150 for any of my vintage amps. But I know for a fact (subjectively) that most of them sound better than any hp amps that I've tried up to mid end price. And not just for the more warmer musical sound that has been mentioned. I have a couple of very neutral sounding amps, neutral but without any added sparkle that the Senn's like to lay bare with some modern ss amps.

 

I always compare the HD800 to a clear window. I personally don't think they have emphasized treble these days.. I used to empathise with peeps who were sensitive to the HD800 treble even though it never bothered me. This was when all I owned were a couple of modern low impedance SS hp amps. There is one slight peak at 6khz. This one peak will not give you harshness or sibilance unless; either the recording has this, or your source is coloured in the upper registers. This little peak compensates for the large dip in the upper mids. The dip is ear friendly.

I find the treble of the Senn's to be analytical but not emphasized. There are loads of high quality hp's out there that have 'harsher', 'harder' (or whatever adjective you care to choose) treble over the HD800.   

 

I've been using vintage amps for headphones for just under a year now and have no want to go back to hp amps. If I had money to burn then yes of course I would splash out on the best of the best dedicated tube amp. But because of my sound preference for a little warmth and musicality I would still probably use the sound of the 70's.

 

It's not called the 'golden age' just for nostalgia reasons ;)  

 

 

and they look ****ing great as well!!

post #9440 of 24358
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

yea i just don't like the look of Eddie current gear. It needs to be ticking all the boxes for that price. They must of left the aesthetics box unchecked on the design sheet. 

 

 

The aesthetics box was checked for me :biggrin: As I like the look on "some" of the EC amps.   IMO it's unchecked on the Stratus ha ha ha..  To each is own right...

post #9441 of 24358
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

Grats on the Stratus! The Sophia 2A3s (and many other Chinese tubes) actually work well on the Stratus. If you want a tighter or more precise sound, especially in the bass, go for the EML 2A3 meshes. I love those on the Stratus.

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll put the EML tubes on my list to try.
post #9442 of 24358
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

One thing worth mentioning that you don't get however, and this can be a deal breaker depending on what music you listen to. You don't get the completely black backround as you do with lower impedance hp amps. Some vintage amps can have some slight hiss. This is caused from the high impedance output and the sensitivity of the HD800. Some don't, but most aren't completely black. 

 

 

 

Hey LugBug, does that technics amp give you any hiss from the headphone out?

 

Maybe you could try adding some small resistor into the mix?

post #9443 of 24358
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 

 

Hey LugBug, does that technics amp give you any hiss from the headphone out?

 

Maybe you could try adding some small resistor into the mix?

A very very slight hiss... It's only noticeable when no music is playing and you listen hard. Still... We all want perfection don't we..  

 

The only thing I've ever changed in my amps is bulbs... Wouldn't know where to start with resistors :-/ 

 

If I could remove the slight hiss from this bad boy I'd be the happiest head-fier on head-fi. It's me fave.

post #9444 of 24358

Anyone have much experience with the ALO Studio Six with the HD800's?

post #9445 of 24358
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Originally Posted by Revogamer View Post
 

Anyone have much experience with the ALO Studio Six with the HD800's?


I have listened to it quite a bit with HD800 and HE500/LCD3 at last year Cali meet.  I wasn't blown away or anything but that amp is a beast at driving 4 HPs at the same time and not even sweating.  As far as sound for HD800, I would say it's dead even across the FR, transparent with a veryyyyy light warm tilt, just enough to make the sound intimate and not so lifeless. Details were abundant and well extended. Spacious/3D sound but not too far out, just right.  The HD800 was not harsh in any way driven by the SS.   For HE500, I didn't care for the sound I was getting(nothing bad/negative though).  LCD3 was alright.  Personally, I wouldn't buy the amp for HE500 or LCD3 but I would for my HD800 if my shopping budget is in that range.

post #9446 of 24358
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Originally Posted by Revogamer View Post
 

Anyone have much experience with the ALO Studio Six with the HD800's?

 

I've heard it several times. Not a bad amp with the HD800s, but nothing special given the price.

post #9447 of 24358
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

 

I've heard it several times. Not a bad amp with the HD800s, but nothing special given the price.

I agree with that part 100%.

post #9448 of 24358
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

 

The aesthetics box was checked for me :biggrin: As I like the look on "some" of the EC amps.   IMO it's unchecked on the Stratus ha ha ha..  To each is own right...

yea your dead right - to each his own. From what i gather you like a black finish on your audio gears. 

 

I love the stratus because it reminds me of a guitar i used to have - a Fender corona, it just has that vintage look that i like. 

post #9449 of 24358

What about for LCD-3's? That is my main phone at the moment - but if i could a studio six for a lot cheaper than usual would it be good for both?

have the Auralic taurus at the moment - better? (if anyone has compared) For both HD800 and LCD3

Thanks guys

post #9450 of 24358

I prefer the LCD-3 with good solid-state amplification. In general, tubes amps, even transformer coupled, just don't have the ability to grip the LCD-3 drivers. But I do personally know a quite a few people who liked pairing the Audezes with the Stratus and BA.

 

However, the Studio Six is not in the same league. But if you can get a deal, why not?

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