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post #9391 of 24348
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post

very true and something i actually hadn't noticed before. when you go past 2000 dollars there don't seem to be as many solid state options
I may be missing some, but the ones that come to mind are:

Headamp GS-X $2800
Cavalli Liquid Gold $4000 (sale)
Bakoon HPA-21 $3000 (but not designed for HD800 drive)
Luxman P1-u

DIY/Commision
Dynahi
β22 (though my personal opinion says this is mid-fi)
Krell KS5A clone
SuSy Dynalo
Edited by Maxvla - 3/21/14 at 9:23am
post #9392 of 24348
Frank, thanks for sharing your experience :-)
post #9393 of 24348
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post
 

weak link were the sophia 300B and the 274B .   In my opinion Chinese tubes are not in the same league as EML,KR and other 300B plus the Sophia 274 B is terrible. Bright and poor choice for tubes in my listening experience and I had every woo amp here and even the Wa 234 did not sound good withy Sophia tubes but when I swapped them out with the EML300B and Tungsol 6sn7 Black glass plate tubes it was transformed.  Bottom line is you did not like it no big deal, but I do in my system. I know what my amps sound like ands thats why they are here. You liked something different but yet you dont own it any more. If the Zana was so good why is it gone. Kind of confusing. If it was that good why did you sell it? I not even sure you still have the hd800. I seen a pair of those for sale recently. Perhaps the Valli will satisfy you.

 

 

Dont tell me what my amp sound like with my tubes if you never heard a WA5 with the same tube compliment. I heard the sophia 300B and 274B and they are terrible for the WA5.   I dont use any sophia tubes at all. None. They are rebranded TJ music tubes from China.

 

I never told you what your amp sounds like Frank...where did I say that again???

 

Yet...

 

...you told me that I never had proper tubes lol. Pot, kettle, etc. Also-if it takes thousands in tubes to make the WA5LE approach the ballpark of the ZDSE...well, lol. Speaking of which-I sold it to help fund the Leviathan. Not that confusing-and I very well may purchase it again some day. Also-now that you mention the Vali (one 'L' btw)-I would have a hard time picking between that and the WA5LE for the Senns ime. Guess I'm not a fan of 300Bs and the HD800 is what it probably comes down to.

 

-Daniel

post #9394 of 24348
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


I may be missing some, but the ones that come to mind are:

Headamp GS-X $2800
Cavalli Liquid Gold $4000 (sale)
Bakoon HPA-21 $3000 (but not designed for HD800 drive)
ECP L-2 $2500 (rare)

DIY/Commision
Dynahi
β22 (though my personal opinion says this is mid-fi)

Edited by jibzilla - 6/2/14 at 11:18pm
post #9395 of 24348
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Originally Posted by zeissiez View Post

I have done a bit of study the pass two days, most ppl agree that HD800 sounds better with tube amps, and these are the tube amps that known to be well matched with HD800: EC Balancing Act, Zana Deux, WA5, Apex Teton, Apex Peak, Manley 300B, DNA Stratus. Which will give the HD800 speaker-like performance? I mean instead of thin and bright the HD800 tend to sound without EQ, which amp can give a weighty, LCD-like, smooth, close-to-live, musical sound?

 

Zeizziez - these are all amps worth hearing, but I'd also refer you back to my and failed engineer's posts recommending the bottlehead mainline and ecp l-2.  These are two top shelf, seriously well designed highly regulated, constant current fed, single gain stage 6c45pi parafeed tube amps with quality output transformers.  The mainline is very new and the ecp scarce, so not that many folks have heard them yet.   But they fall right in line with the sonic criteria you've mentioned for hd800's: smooth, full and refined, but also very dynamic, with lots of speed, easy handling of transients, tight impactful bass, and zero treble glare.

 

And if you really want to go crazy, you can build your mainline out (or have it built) with teflon coupling caps and/or tantalum resistors in the attenuator circuit.  The caps I'm using, for example, are manufactured for a commercial preamp that runs ~$25k.

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Originally Posted by MaxvlaView Post


I may be missing some, but the ones that come to mind are:

Headamp GS-X $2800
Cavalli Liquid Gold $4000 (sale)
Bakoon HPA-21 $3000 (but not designed for HD800 drive)
ECP L-2 $2500 (rare)

DIY/Commision
Dynahi
β22 (though my personal opinion says this is mid-fi)

 

Add to the DIY list the Krell ksa5 klone and super symmetry Dynalo mk2.

post #9396 of 24348
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Originally Posted by jibzilla View Post


I think ECP L-2 is a tube amp and the DSHA-1 is the solid state. Solid state/tube Apex Peak/Volcano?
You're right. I was getting them mixed up. The DSHA-1 isn't priced high enough to be on the list.
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I haven't listened through the Vali for some time but some of the recent comments on it being overhyped has prompted me to fire it up.

 

I don't know what y'all are smoking - the Vali makes sweet music with the HD800! I recall someone stating that its presentation is a bit "rough". Ugh, no. You're probably hearing the Vali amplify a turd upstream.

 

It leaves little to be desired in my system. Tighter and more subterranean bass would probably be it, but I'd still be content if I spent 5 times on the Vali - as is. The fact it's $129 is hilarious.


Edited by olor1n - 3/21/14 at 12:27am
post #9398 of 24348
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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

Zeizziez - these are all amps worth hearing, but I'd also refer you back to my and failed engineer's posts recommending the bottlehead mainline and ecp l-2.  These are two top shelf, seriously well designed highly regulated, constant current fed, single gain stage 6c45pi parafeed tube amps with quality output transformers.  The mainline is very new and the ecp scarce, so not that many folks have heard them yet.   But they fall right in line with the sonic criteria you've mentioned for hd800's: smooth, full and refined, but also very dynamic, with lots of speed, easy handling of transients, tight impactful bass, and zero treble glare.

And if you really want to go crazy, you can build your mainline out (or have it built) with teflon coupling caps and/or tantalum resistors in the attenuator circuit.  The caps I'm using, for example, are manufactured for a commercial preamp that runs ~$25k.

Add to the DIY list the Krell ksa5 klone and super symmetry Dynalo mk2.

Skeptic, Thanks for the recommendation, I'll look into Mainline
post #9399 of 24348

Interesting discussion here and I appreciate all the input, I'd never have imagined that the Princess Sophia tubes would be a poor choice for the HD800!

 

I must wonder however if you're really heard the DNA Sonett 1, 2 or Stratus with the right tubes and given them a fair chance. I fully admit that I haven't heard many of the heavy weights like wa5, balancing act or even Zana Deux that you guys are talking about here. But to me my little balanced sonett 1 is a beautiful thing.

 

I also believe Mambosenior has done some interesting things with speaker amps and gotten a sound that made him happy.... :rolleyes: 


Edited by TwoEars - 3/21/14 at 12:58am
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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post
 

I haven't listened through the Vali for some time but some of the recent comments on it being overhyped has prompted me to fire it up.

 

I don't know what y'all are smoking - the Vali makes sweet music with the HD800! I recall someone stating that its presentation is a bit "rough". Ugh, no. You're probably hearing the Vali amplify a turd upstream.

 

It leaves little to be desired in my system. Tighter and more subterranean bass would probably be it, but I'd still be content if I spent 5 times on the Vali - as is. The fact it's $129 is hilarious.

 

Yup, I agree.

I still have my vali and I don't think I will sell it :-)

post #9401 of 24348

I'm a sucker for that DNA baby blue. Want!

post #9402 of 24348
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Originally Posted by jsgraha View Post
 

 

Yup, I agree.

I still have my vali and I don't think I will sell it :-)

 

What does your stratus bring to the table in comparison to the Vali.

 

Seriously what I heard from the Vali/HD800 combo didn't impress me at all. But Maybe my DAC is "turd upstream" as Olr1n suggests. :o .. oh wait .. Maybe my ears are crappy too. :D

 

:beerchug:


Edited by Sorrodje - 3/21/14 at 2:57am
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I have stratus for about 2-3 weeks, so I think I'm not that qualify to describe its sound yet.

In a nutshell, using current tube combo (marconi u52, sophia 2a3), it give deeper and wider soundstage, smoother sound, deeper bass, and more extension on treble (without being harsh with stock hd800). While vali is more intimate (but with deep soundstage), slightly warmer presentation (and slightly more forgiving as well). Both amps are quite fast, although I sense that stratus is faster (I can't stand a slow sound signature)

 

The downside is stratus need to warm up quite a while (at least 60-90 min).

 

Source is quite important IMO for both amp (although it may depend on individual preference)

Before I bought vali, I tried it at local shop with Auralic Vega (fed by Luxman D-06, I think) and hd800, and they sound really good indeed.


Edited by jsgraha - 3/21/14 at 3:24am
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Didn't notice you were in Oz jsgraha. That Stratus would be a rare bird here. Were you raped with import duties? 

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I believe the first owner did pay a lot in tax, unfortunately.


Edited by jsgraha - 3/21/14 at 4:53am
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