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post #9301 of 19851
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

TwoEars, nice job on the hard wiring. There's not many that would attempt that! Looks cool. 

 

Thanks!

 

I'm really liking it !!! :smile:

 

But to have it wired like this really makes sense when you think about it.

 

The amplifier is balanced so that means that the current going through the headphone drivers are going back into the amp and then back out into the drivers again. Essentially the wiring inside the amp, the cable and the headphone driver is one big closed circuit. There is no ground that the headphone driver can see.

 

And I can bet you that the wiring inside the amp is pure copper so to then introduce another cable into this loop that is copper/silver (like the stock one) really doesn't make a lot of sense from an engineering standpoint. Why would you mix two different kinds of cables in one circuit? It really doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

To me the music just became "more musical", it's more relaxed and composed. The overall effect of the system is that it no longer feels like "digital music", it just sounds like "music". Which is very nice.

post #9302 of 19851
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 

 

Thanks!

 

I'm really liking it !!! :smile:

 

But to have it wired like this really makes sense when you think about it.

 

The amplifier is balanced so that means that the current going through the headphone drivers are going back into the amp and then back out into the drivers again. Essentially the wiring inside the amp, the cable and the headphone driver is one big closed circuit. There is no ground that the headphone driver can see.

 

And I can bet you that the wiring inside the amp is pure copper so to then introduce another cable into this loop that is copper/silver (like the stock one) really doesn't make a lot of sense from an engineering standpoint. Why would you mix two different kinds of cables in one circuit? It really doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

To me the music just became "more musical", it's more relaxed and composed. The overall effect of the system is that it no longer feels like "digital music", it just sounds like "music". Which is very nice.

Yup makes sense to me :) 

post #9303 of 19851
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Originally Posted by kaesar94 View Post
 

 

Preproman says the CMA800R is too smooth with HD800, and he dislike it too for this...:cool:

 

WHERE IS THE TRUE? (sorry for the insistence, but i was, and still now, seriously considering to buy the CMA800R for my HD800...and after numerous very strongly positive review of CMA800R/HD800, like project86 and each other, these lastly comments made me hesitate....)

 

I seriously want to say if the Questyle really is the best overall choice in the 2k$ budget for HD800, and if is so far to the GS-X MKII...

 

Sorry again....thank you in advance...

My recommendation -- go ahead and buy the CMA800R now and try it with your HD800.    You should be able to get it very quickly - mine only took about a week to arrive.  As good as the GS-X is, it will be a very long wait to get one (check the GS-X threads to get an idea of the turnaround time).   Here we're talking many months, not weeks or days.   I'm not saying it's not worth the wait, but seeing that you're almost ready to pull the trigger on the CMA800R, at least you will quickly have an amp you can evaluate.   If you decide that you still want to try the GS-X, you have nothing to lose (Justin only requires a 1/4 deposit to reserve one) -- you will have the very fine Questyle to listen to while waiting for the GS-X to arrive.   Keep both amps for awhile and see which one you like better.   The one thing that theoretically might argue a little more for the GS-X would be if you wish to use other headphones besides the HD800.   In skimming through the threads on the CMA800R, my impression is that this amp, being specifically designed for the HD800, may or may not sound quite as outstanding (but still good) with some other headphones.   Another amp that appears to work very well with HD800s (but not quite as good as the CMA800) and other headphones is the Auralic Taurus MkII (see review by project86).  I was considering this amp as well, but decided on the Questyle since I'm already a big fan of the HD800 and knew it would be my primary headphone.  

post #9304 of 19851
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Originally Posted by drez View Post


Both could be true, the guy who wites cma800 is bright is used to tube amps, preproman might have a different perspective and also be speaking the truth.

I actually just recently stepped into tubes for the HD800's, and am more familiar with the SS amps out there. As mentioned, I've owned the mjolnir, phonitor and BHA-1; and the Questyle outshines them easily, it's special.

 

CMA800R is not necessarily bright, but is definitely not forgiving. I made it clear that the HD800's won't loose that energy up high with the CMA800R, as it is just being true to the source. I'll repeat it again, the issue in the whole chain is the HD800's treble, which is not much of an issue for most, and definitely liveable for me.

 

I now own the Questyle CMA800R, and will be doing the Anax mod to sort things out. And yes, it still sounds artificial in comparaison to my McIntosh; but it's the best yet in SS to my ears indeed.


Edited by dleblanc343 - 3/18/14 at 10:07pm
post #9305 of 19851
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

I actually just recently stepped into tubes for the HD800's, and am more familiar with the SS amps out there. As mentioned, I've owned the mjolnir, phonitor and BHA-1; and the Questyle outshines them easily, it's special.

CMA800R is not necessarily bright, but is definitely not forgiving. I made it clear that the HD800's won't loose that energy up high with the CMA800R, as it is just being true to the source. I'll repeat it again, the issue in the whole chain is the HD800's treble, which is not much of an issue for most, and definitely liveable for me.

I now own the Questyle CMA800R, and will be doing the Anax mod to sort things out. And yes, it still sounds artificial in comparaison to my McIntosh; but it's the best yet in SS to my ears indeed.

My bad didnt mean to speak for you, nice of you to clarify.
post #9306 of 19851
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post
 

I actually just recently stepped into tubes for the HD800's, and am more familiar with the SS amps out there. As mentioned, I've owned the mjolnir, phonitor and BHA-1; and the Questyle outshines them easily, it's special.

 

CMA800R is not necessarily bright, but is definitely not forgiving. I made it clear that the HD800's won't loose that energy up high with the CMA800R, as it is just being true to the source. I'll repeat it again, the issue in the whole chain is the HD800's treble, which is not much of an issue for most, and definitely liveable for me.

 

I now own the Questyle CMA800R, and will be doing the Anax mod to sort things out. And yes, it still sounds artificial in comparaison to my McIntosh; but it's the best yet in SS to my ears indeed.


You plan on getting a second one anytime soon? Or just your store getting a second one. Not many reviews out there to tell how much a difference going balanced makes for HD800 and this amp vs. SE. Curious to know if it's worth it.

post #9307 of 19851
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

I actually just recently stepped into tubes for the HD800's, and am more familiar with the SS amps out there. As mentioned, I've owned the mjolnir, phonitor and BHA-1; and the Questyle outshines them easily, it's special.

CMA800R is not necessarily bright, but is definitely not forgiving. I made it clear that the HD800's won't loose that energy up high with the CMA800R, as it is just being true to the source. I'll repeat it again, the issue in the whole chain is the HD800's treble, which is not much of an issue for most, and definitely liveable for me.

I now own the Questyle CMA800R, and will be doing the Anax mod to sort things out. And yes, it still sounds artificial in comparaison to my McIntosh; but it's the best yet in SS to my ears indeed.

Hi there, I have a Phonitor too, how is the CMA800R compared to the Phonitor in soundtage size, weight at the bottom of the spectrum, bass impact, layering and imaging. Thanks a lot!
post #9308 of 19851
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Originally Posted by drez View Post

My bad didnt mean to speak for you, nice of you to clarify.
No worries smily_headphones1.gif
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post


You plan on getting a second one anytime soon? Or just your store getting a second one. Not many reviews out there to tell how much a difference going balanced makes for HD800 and this amp vs. SE. Curious to know if it's worth it.
I'm not sure, but I'll possibly get to try it out if my coworker gets one too! That will be the determinant factor.
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Originally Posted by zeissiez View Post

Hi there, I have a Phonitor too, how is the CMA800R compared to the Phonitor in soundtage size, weight at the bottom of the spectrum, bass impact, layering and imaging. Thanks a lot!
The phonitor might be more versatile with the crossfeed options, however, I find the Questyle presents material more naturally. But phonitor by memory wins staging. Low end is much richer and accurate with the questyle, it's significantly better. Layering is also more coherent with the questyle. The phonitor has a tendancy of seperating the scene in 2 distinct blobs to me (center channel and then the rest). It sounds like a simulation, it's fun, but sometimes it just doesnt work.
post #9309 of 19851
I have a few good amps for the hd800. I own the phonitor spl. I need to do a comparison for my self with THISE headphones too. Anyone else have any input on the sound ?

Al
post #9310 of 19851
Thanks for the description. I find when using the Phonitor, no doubt details, imaging, soundstage is good, but I need use EQ to lift the bottom and roll-off the top to sound natural/full. But EQ is a poor solution as distortion sets in and it works for some tracks while not for some other tracks. So I wonder which amp will give the HD800 a full and natural tone. Any advice? Thanks
post #9311 of 19851

I've heard several people say that the SPL phonitor / auditor are poor matches for the HD800.

 

What's your budget? The matrix m-stage is good for a budget solution.

 

Also - when you do EQ try to never ever add but only take away. For instance you want to boost the bass by +5 db. Then take away -5dB from everything else instead. You will have to play at a louder volume but it usually gives better sound quality.

post #9312 of 19851
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 

Also - when you do EQ try to never ever add but only take away. For instance you want to boost the bass by +5 db. Then take away -5dB from everything else instead. You will have to play at a louder volume but it usually gives better sound quality.

 

Any decend eq with pre-amp function automatically or manually reduces the volume ceiling when boosting. Claiming some EQ creates distortion etc is pretty bogus, just use a good one with right parameters. I think there are many threads around.

post #9313 of 19851
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Originally Posted by hekeli View Post
 

 

Any decend eq with pre-amp function automatically or manually reduces the volume ceiling when boosting. Claiming some EQ creates distortion etc is pretty bogus, just use a good one with right parameters. I think there are many threads around.

 

Well, I've got at least 3 EQ programs on my computer and none of them automatically reduces the volume ceiling. If I put in a +3dB bass boost that's exactly what I get. And if you try to boost anything more than say 3dB you get very noticable distortion.

 

Which is why I thought it might be worth mentioning to zeissiez. ...

post #9314 of 19851
Hey, that's something I have not thought of, thanks for the tips. But I f I were to get an amp which will balance the tone of HD800, i.e. give more bottom weight, hence a fuller tone, with a budget of USD3000, do u have any recommendation? Thanks
post #9315 of 19851
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 

 

Well, I've got at least 3 EQ programs on my computer and none of them automatically reduces the volume ceiling. If I put in a +3dB bass boost that's exactly what I get. And if you try to boost anything more than say 3dB you get very noticable distortion.

 

Which is why I thought it might be worth mentioning to zeissiez. ...

 

Graphic Equalizer in the popular Foobar2000 has auto volume adjustment:

 

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