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post #8926 of 17701

So I'm looking into an HD800 setup sometime down the year and will need a stop gap amp until I can afford a Zana Deux. What are people's thoughts about the Crack vs the Vali vs the M-Stage for the HD800s? I should also add that I don't want something super bright and fatiguing.

 

Another question is would something like a Decware CSP-2 or Violectric V200 be endgame with the HD800s? A lot of people talk about the Zana as being the best for it but I'm wondering if the same quality can be had for closer to $1000


Edited by RAZRr1275 - 3/8/14 at 9:31am
post #8927 of 17701
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Originally Posted by RAZRr1275 View Post

So I'm looking into an HD800 setup sometime down the year and will need a stop gap amp until I can afford a Zana Deux. What are people's thoughts about the Crack vs the Vali vs the M-Stage for the HD800s?
It's an interesting question and I'll be looking forward to the responses on this as well. There's quite a bit of difference on the price and functions of those amps, so it will be interesting to see how people weight it.
post #8928 of 17701

I think a lot of us are in the same boat.. looking for something to make due until we can afford to go to one of the TOTL amps.  Right now I'm doing OK with the Naim DAC and Vali but find that I'm giving the RS1i more head time as they're more engaging with not so well recorded music, especially with the Vali.  For those special tracks, it's definitely the HD800 and Naim.. simply outstanding!  The Vali does well but we all know there's more.

On my list of end game amps are the Sennheiser HDVA 600, Woo WA2 and DNA Sonnet 2. 

There's a Toronto HeadFi meet at the end of the month so hopefully I'll get a chance to audition the HDVD800 and the Bryston amongst others.

post #8929 of 17701

I agreew with Maxvla on the mid-range amping for the HD800 specifically-don't bother. The Vali and m-Stage are both very impressive with the HD800, and nothing I've owned in the $300-1000 bracket (balanced or not), is better. In fact, most aren't even as good ime. I would say the next appreciable jump up is the $1100-1600 range, with the likes of Bryston, Luxman P1u (used), Sonnett 2, and probably a Decware CSP3+. From there, it's the big boy territory that will get close to nirvana with the Senns: ZDSE, Stratus, L-2, EC 2a3 etc...

 

Imo, and ime-don't bother with the stopgaps in between-there seems to be little or no improvements for the $$-especially in the 3-1000 range. Get a Vali AND an m-Stage (for different sound sigs) for the HD800-then start saving those pennies for the big boys.

 

-Daniel

post #8930 of 17701
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Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post
 

I think a lot of us are in the same boat.. looking for something to make due until we can afford to go to one of the TOTL amps.  Right now I'm doing OK with the Naim DAC and Vali but find that I'm giving the RS1i more head time as they're more engaging with not so well recorded music, especially with the Vali.  For those special tracks, it's definitely the HD800 and Naim.. simply outstanding!  The Vali does well but we all know there's more.

On my list of end game amps are the Sennheiser HDVA 600, Woo WA2 and DNA Sonnet 2. 

There's a Toronto HeadFi meet at the end of the month so hopefully I'll get a chance to audition the HDVD800 and the Bryston amongst others.

 

 

I'm saving up for a TOTL tube amp.  I need something quite small that does not look like it came out of a Borg spaceship (or the girlfriend will not be ammused).  Perhaps the WA7...but I'm not sure that it qualifies as (or sounds like) a TOTL amp.

 

In the meantime, I'm enjoying my Lyr.

post #8931 of 17701

I went from the Bifrost Uber/Lyr to the WA7.  Enjoyed both but the WA7 is more of a side grade with the HD800. Keep saving! :veryevil:

 

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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
Perhaps the WA7...but I'm not sure that it qualifies as (or sounds like) a TOTL amp.

In the meantime, I'm enjoying my Lyr.

post #8932 of 17701
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

I agreew with Maxvla on the mid-range amping for the HD800 specifically-don't bother. The Vali and m-Stage are both very impressive with the HD800, and nothing I've owned in the $300-1000 bracket (balanced or not), is better. In fact, most aren't even as good ime. I would say the next appreciable jump up is the $1100-1600 range, with the likes of Bryston, Luxman P1u (used), Sonnett 2, and probably a Decware CSP3+. From there, it's the big boy territory that will get close to nirvana with the Senns: ZDSE, Stratus, L-2, EC 2a3 etc...

 

Imo, and ime-don't bother with the stopgaps in between-there seems to be little or no improvements for the $$-especially in the 3-1000 range. Get a Vali AND an m-Stage (for different sound sigs) for the HD800-then start saving those pennies for the big boys.

 

-Daniel

Thanks for the advice! Definitely makes the HD800 a more affordable option in the short term. I'm basically just looking for a nice complement for my HE-6 for the time being before I get a better speaker amp for them and a TOTL amp for the HD800. 

 

What sort of differences are there between the Vali and M-Stage sonically?

post #8933 of 17701

What (relatively) budget DAC's would you guys suggest to pair with a Vali to hold over till TOTL?

post #8934 of 17701
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Originally Posted by RAZRr1275 View Post
 

Thanks for the advice! Definitely makes the HD800 a more affordable option in the short term. I'm basically just looking for a nice complement for my HE-6 for the time being before I get a better speaker amp for them and a TOTL amp for the HD800.

 

What sort of differences are there between the Vali and M-Stage sonically?

 

In a nutshell-the m-Stage has some warmth that will pretty much never reveal the Senns pesky highs, but still has excellent transient response, and solid bass. The Vali won't really curb those highs, and I wouldn't call it exactly neutral either. It will sweeten the highs a tad-but they can still be bothersome at times. It has good tonality, nice and punchy. I find I can listen to the m-Stage for much longer listening sessions-if that's a factor.

 

-Daniel

post #8935 of 17701
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Originally Posted by Aaron1006 View Post
 

What (relatively) budget DAC's would you guys suggest to pair with a Vali to hold over till TOTL?

I'd recommend the Beresford Bushmaster. It is the best budget dac I've heard and the good in-built headphone amp will give you a nice alternative to the Vali. 

post #8936 of 17701
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

I'd recommend the Beresford Bushmaster. It is the best budget dac I've heard and the good in-built headphone amp will give you a nice alternative to the Vali. 

You think it would work on par with the M-Stage as far as amping the HD800 goes? I actually just purchased one yesterday.

post #8937 of 17701
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Originally Posted by RAZRr1275 View Post
 

You think it would work on par with the M-Stage as far as amping the HD800 goes? I actually just purchased one yesterday.

I highly rate the M-stage as an HD800 amp, but I'd say that the bushmaster amp is competitive with any budget hp offering. Really refined sound but not an attacking sound. Great for classical I thought. The M-stage will add a little more meat on the bones.

post #8938 of 17701
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

I agreew with Maxvla on the mid-range amping for the HD800 specifically-don't bother. The Vali and m-Stage are both very impressive with the HD800, and nothing I've owned in the $300-1000 bracket (balanced or not), is better. In fact, most aren't even as good ime. I would say the next appreciable jump up is the $1100-1600 range, with the likes of Bryston, Luxman P1u (used), Sonnett 2, and probably a Decware CSP3+. From there, it's the big boy territory that will get close to nirvana with the Senns: ZDSE, Stratus, L-2, EC 2a3 etc...

 

Imo, and ime-don't bother with the stopgaps in between-there seems to be little or no improvements for the $$-especially in the 3-1000 range. Get a Vali AND an m-Stage (for different sound sigs) for the HD800-then start saving those pennies for the big boys.

 

-Daniel

 

Where's the Eddie Current S7 in your ranking ? :popcorn:    I saw you have (had) a violectric V800 ? is the V800/HD800 combo enjoyable ? 


Edited by Sorrodje - 3/8/14 at 12:36pm
post #8939 of 17701
My vote is for the HDVD800 or 600. Of you intend to use your own dac feet the 600. The amp,is very good and it works with most all headphones and IEM,S as well. Now most amps that work great with the hd800 do not do well with other headphones or iems. So need FULL BAL also. So it is so simple to get the hdvd600. I intend to go to a headfi meet here in NYC. I plan to take a couple of things with me. One being the hdvd800 and the AP1/PP. just to see peoples faces when they here it. ..

Al
post #8940 of 17701

The Lyr and Bifrost Uber are working out pretty well right now, which is nice since it's what I had before I purchased the HD 800, but I know there's room here to scale upward. I'm looking to replace my Asgard 2 because I'm just not very happy with it, but I would have to do something with preamps. Sounds like I could pick the M-stage for my SS/preamp option and hold up for something nicer.

 

That said, I know the Lyr isn't the best option out there, but it's not bad. Are things like the Vali and M-stage better with the HD 800 when it comes to treble and resolution?

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