I've been tempted to get another pair with the newer drivers just to find out if the veil is there.
I know for sure that the pair I used to own had the famous veil.
Absolutely agree with you there. It seems like certain cans have certain power words attached to them and then they're continuously described as such, mostly by people who have little to no experience with them. "The HD 800 is bright and cold." No, it is not. "The HD 650 is veiled." Nope, not to my ears. "The HD 700's treble is harsh and flawed." Ehh, maybe under certain conditions, but again, not to me.
Nothing gets me going more around here when you have people speaking out of inexperience and spitting out rhetoric based on the popular opinion. Go make your own or don't add to the misinformation.
Sorry, kinda a crabby morning.
I know what you mean. Also, its so easy to get influenced off others words when reading reviews and such. Especially if the reviewer is well respected.. If he or she says a headphone is 'such and such' you will inevitably be listening out for 'such and such' when you finally hear them. I never realised that the HD650 was veiled until I joined head-fi and I'd had 5 good years with them before then... Fancy never knowing that they were veiled all along ha! I just thought they were easy on the ears with a nice warm tone.
I have to say however and ime, most headphones that I've heard do have some degree of colouring that will always be there no matter what amp or source is used. They will always imprint their character on the sound. My point about the HD800 is that it is quite an exception. Sure there will be colour there under the microscope so to speak - as this is unavoidable, but they are the most transparent (none existing) speaker/transducer component that I've ever heard.
The version I own is the silver version and they are very picky about their amping. In fact... they are more picky about the amping than the HD800 if you ask me. But when you get it right there is no veil and there are still some songs and genres that they do better than my HD800's.
Also. Whenever someone references Genesis i have to post this video
Sorry. It's some kind of unspoken internet law.
Yup. Just to be clear, I'm wasn't ranting against people opinions. Everyone's ears are different. I'm just say I like the impressions to be backed by experience.
Its the transparency of the HD800 rather than them being amp picky. Feed them a good amp and they will sound good - and price doesn't have to come into the equation. It's just a case of remembering that they are 300 ohms and they will appreciate high impedance output over low. A low impedance/high current amp will give them an overly fed treble and not much beef below.
Good points. My F1J seems to bring out the bass in these headphones pretty well.
I am curious about the EQ process with the HD800. Questions:
1. What is the process and software required for a Mac?
2. Do you need to get the frequency response from Sennheiser or is there some way to view it live as you make adjustments?
Current chain: Macbook Pro (Audirvana) > USB > Chord Hugo > HD800 with stock cable
In Audirvana + (not sure if it works in Audrvana free)
- got to preferences
- got to Audio Units
in the first drop down, select: AppleAUGraphicEQ- ensure Use AudioUnits Effects and Realtime is cheated here so you can cage on the fly without stopping A+
- Click configure & change to your delight - note that you can save presets
I spent a month playing around with this, large changes, subtle changes (<2.5db) and alway found I preferred it with no EQ so turned it off. YMMV
Hope this helps,
Yep, the first time can be kinda tight. I used a wiggling twisting motion to get them out. Like was said just be careful not to ding the paint or the screens. A smooth controlled pull should do it.
I think a lot of that has to do with the high(80 ohms) output impedance of the F1J though, but a lot of people like the 800s on high output impedance amps, like OTL tube amps, so its not necessarily a bad thing.
Man i can't wait for my Super 7 and HD800s to show up!