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post #886 of 24367
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

I was interested in the CSP2 as an OTL option but the reviews kind of turned me off of it.  Without dancing around it too much the conclusion tends to be that its worth its asking price but it isn't a world beater :(

Its much better than the Burson  I sold the Burson the CSP2 has outlasted all my other amps and I owned quite a bit. matter of fact it stomps the Bursontongue_smile.gif

post #887 of 24367

Then stay away from the GS-1 and GS-X :p

post #888 of 24367
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Then stay away from the GS-1 and GS-X :p

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post #889 of 24367

Hehe :D

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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Most things aren't world beaters and you get what you pay for. It's good but its not a ZDSE or BA.

It also less than half the price of those amps. I would venture to say using the csp2 with the Taboo may be a more fair comparison. i have not heard those two eddie current amps so i cant comment on them but if we are comparing 2500.00 amps we may want to do a comparison dollar for dollar and then that would be an interesting comparison.  I will be working with the two pieces over the next month to see what the differences are. I know there was a huge difference using the csp2 with the taboo MK11 when I owned that combo.  The dynamics jumped up a huge step on that combo with the preamp driving the Taboo. You are right most time you do get what you pay for and in the case of decware amps you usually get much more than you pay for IMO. YOMV i would like to hear the eddie current amps one day.


Edited by Frank I - 3/13/13 at 3:26pm
post #891 of 24367

So I am thinking of the Decware CSP2+ for my HD800's but I would also like to run my HE500 off it you think it would be a good match?  Or if I get the CSP2+ with the HD800 are the HE500 even needed any more...blink.gif???

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Originally Posted by bearFNF View Post

So I am thinking of the Decware CSP2+ for my HD800's but I would also like to run my HE500 off it you think it would be a good match?  Or if I get the CSP2+ with the HD800 are the HE500 even needed any more...blink.gif???

The he500 is not a good match for the csp2 as the he500 is still only 89DB and likes power  and will clip the csp2 The hd800 is an excellent match and my amp of choice with my hd800,. IMO the hd800 steps up big time over the he500 but I love the he500 and  if I did not own the HD800 i would buy a he500.  if you wanted to keep both I would be looking at the woo 6SE which can handle the he500 as well as the hd800 and not much more money either except the tubes are kind of weird and all not new production tubes except the rectifier can be purchased new product and its hard to find good quality tubes for the woo but Jack has good stock.


Edited by Frank I - 3/13/13 at 3:57pm
post #893 of 24367

Sweet, I will look into it. Thanks.

post #894 of 24367
I had the WA6 and I've heard the WA6 SE and was not impressed with the HD800 combo. I had the WA6 for IEMs, not for full size hps.
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Round 2 is coming up for me this Saturday. A friend of mine is bringing over his V200/800 stack and Woo Audio WA7. 

 

I've pretty much decided that the HD800 does not pair well with my receiver. I suppose I must decide how serious I want to get with my headphone audio and whether or not I want to invest in an Amp and DAC for the sole purpose of enjoying the Sennheisers. The alternative is to just keep my D7000's that I have been enjoying (but not 100% satisfied with).

 

I've never been interested in tube gear (well, not since 1972 anyways) but I admit I am curious about all this Decware talk here.

 

I personally thought the HD800 sounded very good with the Burson HA-160D I tried last week, of course I had nothing "superlative" to compare it with.

 

What does the Decware offer that other amps in the <$1000 market don't? Is it coloration/distortion that the 800s somehow need to sound good? Is it that artificial ambient sheen that some tube amps I've heard (Jolida) add to the music that people find appealing? I would have thought that for a headphone such as the HD800, a "wire with gain" would be the ideal match.


Edited by palmfish - 3/13/13 at 7:05pm
post #897 of 24367
I thought the CSP2+ was rather 'solid state' in it's presentation. Clean and clear, not really tubey at all.
post #898 of 24367
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Round 2 is coming up for me this Saturday. A friend of mine is bringing over his V200/800 stack and Woo Audio WA7. 

 

I've never been interested in tube gear (well, not since 1972 anyways) but I admit I am curious about all this Decware talk here.

 

I personally thought the HD800 sounded very good with the Burson HA-160D I tried last week, of course I had nothing "superlative" to compare it with.

 

What does the Decware offer that other amps in the <$1000 market don't? Is it coloration/distortion that the 800s somehow need to sound good? Is it that artificial ambient sheen that some tube amps I've heard (Jolida) add to the music that people find appealing? I would have thought that for a headphone such as the HD800, a "wire with gain" would be the ideal match.

I think the biggest difference in tube amps for me has always been about musicality. Usually soundstage is bigger and focus is more pinpoint with a more realistic tone that i hear live with the CSP2 and other tube amps I have owned. I am listening now to a sacd of the lA Guitar Quartet and it just sound so right with no electronic sound that I get from my solid state amps. I had the same experiences in my 2 channel rig when I owned the Conrad Johnson Premier 11A and CAT SL1 MK11 preamp. They always just sound so right and realistic to me. Thats been my love affair since 1994 with high quality tube amps in general. Decware amps are one of the biggest bang for buck amps in the marketplace and for the hd800 I have not owned or heard better than the csp2 in the 1K price range, Are there better? Sure but they will cost much more in my experience so far. What you get with the decware amp is a synergy with the nhd800 and sound smore like live music with greater musicality. The V200 similar price get close and has good musicality but the hd800 scales higher with the decware amp.  If you check my list I have owned quite a few and sold k=most all of them except the csp2 has been here for 3 hyears now and not gloing anywhere unless it get significantly outclassed by the newTaboo Mk111 and even then I may keep it as well because its an SET. SET triode amp IMO are hard to beat

post #899 of 24367
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Round 2 is coming up for me this Saturday. A friend of mine is bringing over his V200/800 stack and Woo Audio WA7. 

 

I've pretty much decided that the HD800 does not pair well with my receiver. I suppose I must decide how serious I want to get with my headphone audio and whether or not I want to invest in an Amp and DAC for the sole purpose of enjoying the Sennheisers. The alternative is to just keep my D7000's that I have been enjoying (but not 100% satisfied with).

 

I've never been interested in tube gear (well, not since 1972 anyways) but I admit I am curious about all this Decware talk here.

 

I personally thought the HD800 sounded very good with the Burson HA-160D I tried last week, of course I had nothing "superlative" to compare it with.

 

What does the Decware offer that other amps in the <$1000 market don't? Is it coloration/distortion that the 800s somehow need to sound good? Is it that artificial ambient sheen that some tube amps I've heard (Jolida) add to the music that people find appealing? I would have thought that for a headphone such as the HD800, a "wire with gain" would be the ideal match.

Seems to me the Primary benefit of a Decware tube amp with the HD800's is you take some of the brightness out that annoys some people and you still keep all the dynamics and the great soundstage and placement. It is just as technically accurate, but you can listen for hours and still pick out things you never heard before. Tube rolling can let you tune things to taste. Tubes are cheap with Decware too. 

post #900 of 24367

Im not interested in tube rolling in the least. So the Decware sounds good "out of the box?"

 

Are modern tubes reliable? I can remember trips to Radio Shack back in the day to replace burned out tubes in my Heathkit.

 

Are tubes consistentt from a production variation standpoint? If I get a Decware, will it sound the same as yours?


Edited by palmfish - 3/13/13 at 7:23pm
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