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post #8596 of 24288
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Originally Posted by drez View Post
 

I don't think it is useful to ask the question "what is the benefit of using HD800 with a balanced amplifier" instead what we should be asking is "what is the benefit of using HD800 with X amplifier which just so happens to be balanced". 

Yeah good point. Also, I believe if you are going to go balanced then it should start with your source. Otherwise you won't actually be truly balanced. Your amp will separate the signal but Ideally it should be separated before it reaches your amp.

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Disagree.  I think SUSY and certain parafeed amps (like mainline, among others) are the best "balanced" designs, and they accept single ended inputs.  While providing a true balanced output, they don't have any of the draw backs of push-pull or bridged amps - which effectively double distortion, signal noise (excluding common mode), and output impedance, reducing damping by 50%.  Any frankly, common mode noise rejection is irrelevant in short cable runs.  Take a look at the link I posted a couple pages back regarding the debate between amb and the benchmark engineer.

 

[Edited per Daniel's comment below.  Thanks for the good catch!]


Edited by skeptic - 2/24/14 at 11:34am
post #8598 of 24288
L2 is SE output only iirc.

-Daniel
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My bad re the L-2.  Looks like it uses input transformers to accept se or balanced inputs, and then becomes a 2 channel amp with a se output.  I thought it was basically the tube equivalent of supersymetry solid state amps (i.e. - 1 channel per board, but they take se or balanced in, and provide balanced out.)  Mainline, by contrast, takes se inputs, has two active channels, and then uses output transformers with secondary taps to provide either se or symmetrical/balanced outputs.  This is the same thing DNA implemented when he started offering balanced output sonetts.

 

In any event, it is basically amps of this nature (like mainline, sonett and SUSY's) that accomplish the goal of providing a true balanced out while minimizing channels, component costs and the negatives associated with bridged and push-pull designs (unless of course, you need double the power to run truly inefficient cans).

 

Edit: just confirming that this is, indeed, how DNA designed the output in the balanced version of the sonett.  He explains it very nicely (on http://www.dnaudio.com/DNA-Sonett-headphone-amplifier.html ) as quoted below:

 

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Some comments about balanced headphone drive

I am frequently asked why the balanced output version does not include balanced inputs. This is because balanced inputs are not necessary to provide balanced headphone drive. Being a single ended amplifier, all it needs for input is a single ended (unbalanced) signal. The Sonett operates single ended triode with transformer loading the plate of the 6H30 amplification tube. The secondary windings on the output transformers are center tapped (and grounded for safety), thereby providing a true, differential, balanced output. Thus, you get balanced drive without the complexity from additional balanced input circuitry or input transformers. Again, the simpler - the better.


Edited by skeptic - 2/24/14 at 11:40am
post #8600 of 24288
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post


They color I am sure but they are like the he6 compared to the hd800. The 800 is more accurate but the sound coming from the he6 is more pleasing.

I don’t get these kinds of statements. 

 

I like my music to be as accurate as possible…as close to the performance as technology can conceivably get us.

 

Do people who like “fun” cans climb up the stage to adjust the amplifier settings of their favorite bassist in order to make the performance more fun?

 

I guess this all depends on the type of music one prefers…

post #8601 of 24288
To color the music is to add or take away from accuracy. But pleasing to the ears. Like using eq to make a song or headphone more tuned to your ears. The famous HE90 senn headphones are most certainly clorored. But good to hear you music on. Steril is what the hd800 or stax 009 is .

Al
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It's just one of these things where there is no write or wrong answer. Some people prefer slight colorization in their sonics. Some want the most accurate reproduction as possible. None of it is wrong or false. I'm in the boat of making sure you are using the right tool for the right job. I'm hoping the HD 800 fit the bill of extremely accurate representation the way the artists intended it to be heard.
post #8603 of 24288
I can give this advice. The hd800 and the stax 009
Are very accurate headphones now given that is the headphone
So next is a neutral DAC and amp.
Dacs are mostly neutral but not all sounding the same
Where amps are different sounding
Now I can say the hdvd800 is what I think
As totally neutral. And if you want a really
Accurate amp and DAC it is a very good choice
The DAC is ok but can be improved at a later date
Al
post #8604 of 24288
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Originally Posted by akhyar View Post

There's always the STAX SR009.
Don't say I've never warned you. biggrin.gif

Yeah, maybe if I fell into a giant pile of money. Where I am financially it's just not a reality. I know its out there, and I've heard it, but not something I would consider getting. But then again I would have said the same thing about spending 1k on a headphone (bought my set used). Btw, my earpads are pretty flat/worn. Anyone chime in on sonic differences between worn out and new earpads??
post #8605 of 24288
Got my tracking number from Brian at Razordog audio it shipped last Friday so I should have them Wednesday, hell of a deal I couldn't refuse.
In the meantime I have decided on the HDVD800 but it will have to wait another week to purchase and I will be breaking the 800 in on my current Asus Essence One Muses, I'll be sure to leave my impressions after I get sometime with them.
Man my wallets gonna hate me.
Edited by Dionysus - 2/24/14 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by Dionysus View Post

Got my tracking number from Brian at Razordog audio it shipped last Friday so I should have them Wednesday, hell of a deal I couldn't refuse.
In the meantime I have decided on the HDVD800 but it will have to wait another week to purchase and I will be breaking the 800 in on my current Asus Essence One Muses, I'll be sure to leave my impressions after I get sometime with them.
Man my wallets gonna hate me.
You getting the HDVD800 @ 20% off as well? It's too bad he doesn't carry the HDVA600. The DAC in the HDVD800 is mediocre from what I hear.
post #8607 of 24288
That is the whole problem. People here about it but do not here it them selves. The dac is fine , it's a 2000 dac but good enough to make the headphones shine. But it is a very reviling dac so good is good and bad is really bad. But feed it some really good dsd or hi hidef and it sings.

Al
post #8608 of 24288
No he's out of stock on both, his last day is like March 9th for product and Senn is back ordered on both amp so I have to go elsewhere.
The reason I'm going with the HDVD800 is for some of the same reasons as ALRAINBOW mentioned, I want this to be a setup I will be happy with for a long time and I have faith that the 2 will pair nicely and I won't have to think about what if. I originally had the WooWA7 in my sight but have changed my mine.
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Thanks for everyone's input on the Burson 160-DS. Looks like i will be avoiding that one.

 

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Originally Posted by Dionysus View Post

Got my tracking number from Brian at Razordog audio it shipped last Friday so I should have them Wednesday, hell of a deal I couldn't refuse.
In the meantime I have decided on the HDVD800 but it will have to wait another week to purchase and I will be breaking the 800 in on my current Asus Essence One Muses, I'll be sure to leave my impressions after I get sometime with them.
Man my wallets gonna hate me.

Congrats. Looking forward to hear your results on your E1 Muses.  I currently have the regular Essence One paired with the HD800 and its amazing! I still have the urge to try some high-end amp/dac to hear the difference for myself.

 

I was going to pick up the HDVD800 until i read this guys review on the DAC. 

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I compared the it to a Asus Xonar Essence ST sound card which uses a the same dac as the HDVD 800 dac, and the results were nearly indistinguishable. The HDVD 800 was slightly more refined and smoother in the higher frequencies, but I had to listen for it. The first few seconds there didn't appear to be any difference. Not exactly the result you'd want.

 

When plugging in a higher priced dac like the Violectric V800, Xonar Essence One Muses Edition or Hegel HD10 the HDVD 800 dac starts sounding like an insult to the amp it's attached to. 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/products/sennheiser-hdvd800/reviews/9629

 

 

My wife bought me the Crack with Speedball for Valentines day so I might be content with that unit, but waiting for its month delivery delay. But i still feel like i need to spend more on a dac/amp to get the most out of the HD800. Thats how it works right? 

post #8610 of 24288
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Originally Posted by Swolern View Post

Congrats. Looking forward to hear your results on your E1 Muses.  I currently have the regular Essence One paired with the HD800 and its amazing! I still have the urge to try some high-end amp/dac to hear the difference for myself.

I was going to pick up the HDVD800 until i read this guys review on the DAC.

I read this too and frankly like anything else it's his ears not mine follow me smily_headphones1.gif
So I have the E-1 sold, but it's a work associate and I am subsidizing the cost so out of pocket it won't hurt as much, the sale is also not final, meaning if I decide the E-1 sounds fantastic I can also decide to keep amp/Dac and not have the expense, so for me it's a win, win.


Meant to add that I also have there regular E-1 I loaded the unit with MUses-01 from a authorized dealer. If you want to order them try these guys they are the real deal.
I paid 65.00 ea they are not cheap. But I was able to bargain in a little.
www.mouser.com
Edited by Dionysus - 2/24/14 at 2:35pm
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