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post #8491 of 25126

This is a game of inches and not miles when we describe differences in this hobby which is why it's fun for me. Nuances turn into gaping valleys around here real quick, but the headphone itself is going to get you 85-90% there. An HD 600 is going to sound like an HD 600 on practically anything you drive it from. Everything else is just preference and the level of diminishing returns when touching on amping is different for everyone.

post #8492 of 25126
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Originally Posted by Swolern View Post
 

You think that a high-end amp is only 40% better than an iphone to power the HD800???  I was thinking around 3 or 4 times better (300-400%) or more. 

 

You misunderstand a bit I think, it's not how much better the amp is. It's how much of a difference the amp actually makes in the end.


In the overall scheme of things the amp is one of the least important components.

 

For me it's:

 

source material > transducer > dac > amp > cables

 

So even if you improved the dac 50%, you'd probably notice a change of 10% in your headphones more.

post #8493 of 25126

Good explanation. I generally agree with how you've weighted everything.

post #8494 of 25126
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 

 

You misunderstand a bit I think, it's not how much better the amp is. It's how much of a difference the amp actually makes in the end.


In the overall scheme of things the amp is one of the least important components.

 

For me it's:

 

source material > transducer > dac > amp > cables

 

So even if you improved the dac 50%, you'd probably notice a change of 10% in your headphones more.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with that point of view. :)

post #8495 of 25126
What do you mean by transducer ?

Al
post #8496 of 25126
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What do you mean by transducer ?

Al

 

Loudspeaker or headphone (all shapes, kinds and forms) :regular_smile :

post #8497 of 25126
Ok I understand now. It's not a line diagram of equipment being used , it is a list of importance.

Well the list is screwed up.
If it is digital we are listing importance.
Then it should. Dac, amp headphone, source . Why simply because the chain must start with the best dac. If not it will not matter what comes next. .

Al
post #8498 of 25126
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Ok I understand now. It's not a line diagram of equipment being used , it is a list of importance.

Well the list is screwed up.
If it is digital we are listing importance.
Then it should. Dac, amp headphone, source . Why simply because the chain must start with the best dac. If not it will not matter what comes next. .

Al

 

Well, there is no absolute right and wrong I don't think. Feel free to have your own list! I won't stop you! :wink:

 

Many people also include our hearing and room acoustics and things like that...

post #8499 of 25126
Yes and please do not take my list as being pompas. I am not. Trying to tell anyone here I know and shut and learn. I am not. I have spent good money on bad ideas.

If digital. The dac is paramount. The reasoning is the chain begins there and anything after it the change will be obvious.

So you may source. Is first , not really. The source will always vary, but the dac will not . Look up my chain and ask me why. If we use a heap dac. There nothing any great equipment after can do to get a better sound after. Just think what I am saying.

Al
post #8500 of 25126

So why no Linn DAC in your collection? :popcorn:

post #8501 of 25126
Me I never heard of linn. As regarding dacs. Now do not be set back by the dacs I have. The point is start with the best dac first. And anything you do after you will hear it.

Al
post #8502 of 25126

Nope - Headphone / speakers yield the greatest difference.  However, it all starts at the recording.  I agree with TwoEars..

 

Start with a quality recording.

 

Select the headphones / speakers you "think" you like.  Build the rest of the rig around them. 

post #8503 of 25126
Ok we can disagree. Here. I bought the great speakers , headphones and amps . And yes they sound better but never there best until the dac is done. Maybe this is why I have a different view on amps they some here. I am hearing things different. Here is one more little tidbit. Most all cd,s or digital recording sound far better with a really good DAC. . It seems the glare on some recordings is not glare but info the dacs we use cannot make sound properly until you read a certain level dac. Also the USB implinmintaion used on most dacs can be greatly improved witha good USB converter

Like an offramp or Audiophilleo

Al
post #8504 of 25126
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Me I never heard of linn. As regarding dacs. Now do not be set back by the dacs I have. The point is start with the best dac first. And anything you do after you will hear it.

Al

 

Go and have a listen. Linn Dealers NYC:

 

  •  Ears Nova, 3 East 28th Street, 2nd Floor, New York, NY 10028, United States Of America
  •  Innovative Audio, 150 E 58th Street, New York, NY 10155, United States Of America

 

 

 

Fun excursion if nothing else. Linn is was the one that invented and pioneered the "source first" principle in my mind. They have a lot of cred in the hi-fi world and they make beautiful sounding systems.

post #8505 of 25126
Thanks I will. Innovations is where I bought the MSB dac from. They sell Wilson audio speakers there.
I much prefere the infinitys I have to them

Al
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