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post #826 of 24355
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I received my HD 800's today.

 

I spent a nice 2 or 3 hours with them tonight just getting to know them. Played with a few amps and casual A/B with my D7000's (Lawton modded).

 

Amps: O2, Burson HA-160D, Schiit Lyr, and my Carver Receiver.

 

Initial impressions: Wow, the 800's really bring out the differences between amps. I admit I was a skeptic, but now I believe...

 

Here are the amps in order of how much I hate them through the HD 800:

 

1. O2 - shrill and scratchy, lacks body and coherence.

2. Lyr - Fairly well balanced, but a little too bright, slightly sibilant, and the bass is light - lacks weight.

3. Carver - A little stronger and muddier on the bottom that thickens the mids a smidge. Very good body and treble is nice. Smooth and detailed.

4. Burson - The best of the group with the HD 800. In between the Lyr and the Carver tonally - leaner than the Carver but fuller than the Lyr. Perfect balance between bass-mids-treble, and a little more open sounding than the Carver.

 

Funny though, when I compared the amps with my D7000, my findings were very different.

 

1. Lyr - I guess I just don't like this amp. Sounded like a layer of grime coating a window. Shrill treble yet smeared detail.

2/3. O2 and Burson - Really couldn't tell them apart. A little flat and dull sounding - grime like the Lyr but a little cleaner.

4. Carver - Clear, clean, tight bass, sparkly treble. A very good match aparently (also admittedly what I'm most accustomed to).

 

What frustrated me was that all of my observations are very song dependent. Some lush recordings (Patricia Barber for example) sound fantastic on the D7000/Carver rig and the 800/Burson rig. Other recordings that are super clean (overproduced?) like Dire Straits Brothers in Arms or anything by The Police are the opposite - they sound best on the 800/Carver rig and the D7000/Burson rig. Many other recordings fall somewhere unpredictably in between.

 

A few other observations:

 

*I found it interesting that the O2 sounds so good with the D7000 and so bad with the HD 800. I didn't expect this.

*The DAC portion of the HA-160D sounds identical to the DAC built into my Squeezebox Touch. This was after running both analog and Coax from the Touch to the Burson and switching between the two inputs.

*The Denon doesn't sacrifice any detail or refinement to the 800. It lacks the even frequency response and the more open/diffuse sound quality of the 800 in exchange for a more fun signature (tighter punchier bass) and a closer more pinpoint kind of sound. I haven't listened to classical music with the 800's yet, but I suspect that this is where they will shine. The D7000's are definitely a rock and roll headphone - JBL's for your head.

 

I'm definitely enjoying the HD 800's right now, though I don't know if they will find a permanent place in my home. More listening to follow...

 

My experience with the Lyr is quite different to yours.   I have found it really transparent, and the HD800 reflects tube switches better than any other headphone I have tried.   What tubes are you using with it?  If you're just using stock or the GE or JJ tubes that come with it yeah, it's going to suck, but put some good NOS tubes in it and it is a different beast altogether.  Try them with some Siemens, Lorenz or Telefunken tubes and you might be surprised.

 

Edit: The Lyr and Denons have a horrid synergy as well, they are simply too sensitive for this amp and is just about the worst pairing imaginable.   The Lyr is simply not meant for Denons and it's quite sad considering they are so much fun to listen to.


Edited by toschek - 3/11/13 at 10:48pm
post #827 of 24355
What you are hearing on Dire Straits and The Police is DYNAMIC RANGE, in all of it's glory. Glad you like the 800s. As for the Denon not dropping detail, keep listening. Your opinion on that WILL change.
post #828 of 24355
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Originally Posted by toschek View Post

 

My experience with the Lyr is quite different to yours.   I have found it really transparent, and the HD800 reflects tube switches better than any other headphone I have tried.   What tubes are you using with it?  If you're just using stock or the GE or JJ tubes that come with it yeah, it's going to suck, but put some good NOS tubes in it and it is a different beast altogether.  Try them with some Siemens, Lorenz or Telefunken tubes and you might be surprised.

 

Yes, it was the stock tubes. It's not my amp, so I don't have that luxury unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

What you are hearing on Dire Straits and The Police is DYNAMIC RANGE, in all of it's glory. Glad you like the 800s. As for the Denon not dropping detail, keep listening. Your opinion on that WILL change.

 

I agree they definitely have dynamic range, but that's not what I'm talking about. These albums have an "etched" sound to me. Like watching a soap opera shot on HD video instead of a movie shot on film, if that makes sense. Like wearing polarized sunglasses - they are just too extremely crisp and clean. For comparison, if you're familiar, a well recorded album that I think sounds particularly "natural" is "Ingenue" by k.d. lang.

 

I do agree I need to spend more time with the HD 800's and get familiar with them - it's only been a few hours so far...

post #829 of 24355
It's going to take a while to get used to HD800 after living with D7000 for a long time.
post #830 of 24355

Palmfish, looks like you ate crow? tongue.gif

 

 

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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

It's going to take a while to get used to HD800 after living with D7000 for a long time.
 

Same here since I've been with an LCD2 for such a long time...


Edited by Girls Generation - 3/11/13 at 11:13pm
post #831 of 24355
I went from HD700 to HD800 so it was more of an "oh I see what you did there" incremental sort of thing, and yet not at the same time if that makes any sense. Are the 800s "worth" more than the 700s objectively? Absolutely. The HD700s are fun but not for serious listening at all.

I am really happy with the HD800 as my "endgame" headphones, I have no interest in anything else other than as a novelty.
post #832 of 24355
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

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Funny though, when I compared the amps with my D7000, my findings were very different.

1. Lyr - I guess I just don't like this amp. Sounded like a layer of grime coating a window. Shrill treble yet smeared detail.
2/3. O2 and Burson - Really couldn't tell them apart. A little flat and dull sounding - grime like the Lyr but a little cleaner.
4. Carver - Clear, clean, tight bass, sparkly treble. A very good match aparently (also admittedly what I'm most accustomed to).

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Of all the amps I've tried (not many), I prefer the D7k on vintage iron the best.
post #833 of 24355

Anybody with HD-800 in Krakow (Poland) or nearby?

I would love to audition them. Unfortunately they are not available in the local stores.

I have LCD-2 rev.2 and HE-400 available for audition in exchange:)

post #834 of 24355
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Originally Posted by Girls Generation View Post

Palmfish, looks like you ate crow? tongue.gif

 

 

 

Same here since I've been with an LCD2 for such a long time...

 

Maybe just a little wing ..  wink.gif

 

I have noticed that every Sennheiser I've owned (598, 600, 650) has some degree of bloat in the bass with my Carver. The 600's were relatively mild but the 650's were the worst.

 

I thought the 800 would be different, but the more I listen, the more I realize that it's the same issue again with them (although relatively mild like the 600's). I can't help wondering if its the Sennheiser "house impedance curve" at work here.


Edited by palmfish - 3/12/13 at 10:12am
post #835 of 24355

The one thing the HD800's do not have is bloated bass. The cheaper Senn's do to varying degrees but if your HD800's has bloated bass then look to your amp or source as the cause.

post #836 of 24355

I have never hear the bass bloated on my HD800. It excellent bass well extended and very tight with great inner detail. Could be something else in your chain causing bass bloat.

post #837 of 24355
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

Could be something else in your chain causing bass bloat.

 

That is in fact what he said :P  Only happens on his Carver and only with Senns and their monstrous impedance around 100Hz.

post #838 of 24355
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

That is in fact what he said :P  Only happens on his Carver and only with Senns and their monstrous impedance around 100Hz.

and your pointtongue_smile.gif

post #839 of 24355

^^^ding ding...round onepopcorn.gif

 

The more I listen to my HD800 the more my other cans seem to be not as needed...just need to audition some amps for them now.


Edited by bearFNF - 3/12/13 at 3:49pm
post #840 of 24355
Yes, other cans just seem useless after HD800s.
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