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post #8071 of 24367
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Hello all. EQ is for all of us, I know how you all feel about trying to stay pure and all. There is no pure. Everything we listen to has been EQ , compressed a few times during the recording process. It even goes from dsd to analog and back a few times as well. As there is now way of EQ or modding the sound in dsd . So what I am proposing is try it. I am annoying some people here and that is fine. I am not looking to covert just open up some peoples here ears a little. My office rig is really expensive by most standars but instill use the EQ . Even on dsd 128. Why it's the cans and over all sound sig I am looking to tailor for me. It is a shame we buy all this expensive equipment and have no dad at all. There was a time no one would by a preamp with out the basic treble and bass and if it was the better mocdles you had a mid as well. Some people here approach this thought as un pure and altering the recording. Well not one of us was there when they mixed it. And the headphones and or speakers they used to mix are cheaper then what we use to listen to it.
For us that have cars or small home radio,s even a Bose . Don't you notice that most all music sounds the same on them. This is because they limit what sounds get reproduced .
We do not so all sounds come through even the ones the recording engineer did not even notice or hear. What I would really like to see is an EQ thread for us all.

And here is a another bit of info. We cannot hear a 1 or most us even 2 db cutt or increase. And I know the golden ear people will say they hear a 1/2 db bull. Only with speakers can I hear about 2 db for sure and with headphones not reall. This is why I say if you cut start at 3 db the same goes for increase. We have been dipped into thinking all of our equipment is all perfect and maybe even though it is not it's close. But we do not hear that way at all. And as indivuals it's even more changed. It's a shame we all buy expensive products and do not try to get the most out of them by buying even more accessories to try and change the sound. I laugh at that when we all have EQ right there. But no we cannot we need to go spend 300 more on a wire that will give more sound stage or whatever that claims to do and of course we all hear the change right. Well the EQ is there and if you think I am wrong get someone to help and do a blind fold and chNge the EQ . No one here will hear a change of anything less or increase of two db. Even though 3 db is a crease or decrease of 50% in change . We do not here flat . For those who nay fine . But for the people who will try it. Do it , but be stuck in a rut of supposed perfection where there is none to be had in the forts place . And if you think your amp is neutral it is not but I can say I own the hdvd800. And weather I use the dac inside or 40 k dac with the hd800 it's is overwhelmingly bright. And I am 57 years old too.
Ok bring on the bashes now !
Al

Well stated. Thank you. I haven't needed EQ for the 800 but have used it to bring up bass on AKG 702 without feeling guilty...at all! Every HP can use a tug here or there without losing its integrity. (My face could certainly use same!)
post #8072 of 24367
Thanks. I am glad there are people on both sides of this. We get caught up on the perfection bandwagon and in the end cheat ourselves of getting closer to perfection I our ideals

Al
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Originally Posted by PleasantSounds View Post
 

 

 

I've seen many times this graph but can you tell me where i can found more analysis about this subject ? 

post #8074 of 24367

+1 I've tried it on many occasions and pretty much every time, even with minimum EQ, SQ is degraded. YMMV.

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

i don't believe in EQ.

post #8075 of 24367
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post
As such people who come here to,learn and read I NEVER use EQ. Just hurts the greater good here. I posted this because of people who are so dead against this that equivalent the raping the music . If this fits a rant then what do you consider your stance . I am not going to use words the elevate this to an argument. But your choice is yours but nothing we do in absolute. And amps and dacs do change the sound as you stated . And EQ does effect the overall sound. And maybe to your benifits if you tried it. I also staed not to use this EQ as a be all end all by genre . It is simply to change that particular can you or one of us has and tune it to our overall liking.
 

 

More than anything I think people just should remember to have FUN.

 

Music is about having fun and having new experiences, you shouldn't take it too seriously.

 

The day you start saying "It has to sound like that, this sound is wrong, that setup is not how the artist intended it etc etc" you're taking it all way too seriously.

EQ, or no EQ, find something that sounds good to you and which you're happy with, sit back, enjoy, that's what it's all about :beerchug: 


Edited by TwoEars - 2/11/14 at 6:43am
post #8076 of 24367
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 

 

 

EQ, or no EQ, find something that sounds good to you and which you're happy with, sit back, enjoy, that's what it's all about :beerchug: 

 

This ! :beerchug:

post #8077 of 24367

I think that what many people define as amplifier speed, soundstage, decay, etc. can often be attributed to EQ. When you alter the frequency response, the nature and amount of frequency masking changes, as does propogation. These (and other factors) will influence the perception of soundstage, attack, decay, etc.

 

For example, you may not necessarily hear a high-Q 1dB boost at 8kHz as being brighter, but you might perceive the overall effect as more spacious sounding.

 

It is also why reducing the low frequencies with EQ often makes it sound like your headphones are brighter - even though you didn't change the high frequencies.

 

I could go on about psychoacoustics all day long but I will simply say that I believe our brains have a remarkable plasticity and what we "hear" isn't necessarily what we are hearing.


Edited by palmfish - 2/11/14 at 8:22am
post #8078 of 24367
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 

 

More than anything I think people just should remember to have FUN.

 

Music is about having fun and having new experiences, you shouldn't take it too seriously.

 

The day you start saying "It has to sound like that, this sound is wrong, that setup is not how the artist intended it etc etc" you're taking it all way too seriously.

EQ, or no EQ, find something that sounds good to you and which you're happy with, sit back, enjoy, that's what it's all about :beerchug: 


+1 I couldn't have said it any better.

post #8079 of 24367
Palmfish I agree. It is so hard to make people know that we all here different and explain to use the controls we have to our benifit.

Al
post #8080 of 24367
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post
 

 

I've seen many times this graph but can you tell me where i can found more analysis about this subject ? 

 

You can start at Wikipedia - plenty of good links from there.

post #8081 of 24367
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post
 

reducing the low frequencies with EQ often makes it sound like your headphones are brighter - even though you didn't change the high frequencies.


When I turn down the hot water tap in the shower, it feels like it get super cold! Even though I didn't change the cold water tap! ;)

I agree that EQ may have some slight effects on things like soundstage, attack and decay, but different drivers have inherent physical and mechanical differences that make it impossible to tune a Stax SR-009 to sound identical to an HD 800 even with the best equalizer in the world. 

The name equalizer is really a misnomer.

post #8082 of 24367
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Originally Posted by scolaiw View Post

 

The name equalizer is really a misnomer.

 

Dequalizer?

post #8083 of 24367
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Originally Posted by scolaiw View Post


I agree that EQ may have some slight effects on things like soundstage, attack and decay, but different drivers have inherent physical and mechanical differences that make it impossible to tune a Stax SR-009 to sound identical to an HD 800 even with the best equalizer in the world. 

Are you saying my dream of turning my Portapros into an Orpheus clone using tin foil and duct tape is doomed to fail?
post #8084 of 24367
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Are you saying my dream of turning my Portapros into an Orpheus clone using tin foil and duct tape is doomed to fail?


Hahahaha, of course not! Everyone on head-fi knows, the real solution is cables! Use the right 99.999999999999999% pure ultra-conducive unobtanium cables and you can make your Portapros morph into your own personal string quartet if you wanted. ;)

Oh, and don't forget to go balanced! :p

post #8085 of 24367

Thank you for the morning Laugh :beerchug: . 

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