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That said, my Mind is not really done about this subject. I "feel" different amps bring something more complex than simple EQ but i'm not experienced enough to be sure. Headphone audio experience is not only a matter of Frequency response. it's a bit more complex so why EQ should be the only parameter to fix ? That's my question. 

 

And this opinion doesn't mean I hate EQ. A point that impressed me each time is the HD800's sensitiveness to EQ  one or two db more or less at any frequence makes always listenable differences .  IMO HD800 is a kind of tool. You can use it and transform it as you like . Using EQ or amps or dac or mod or any unicorn stuff you want is a matter of personal opinion and taste. 

 

@BournePerfect : NFB12.1 has arrived and Vali will be here soon too :tongue_smile: 


Edited by Sorrodje - 2/10/14 at 11:58pm
post #8057 of 17694
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post
 

That said, my Mind is not really done about this subject. I "feel" different amps bring something more complex than simple EQ but i'm not experienced enough to be sure. Headphone audio experience is not only a matter of Frequency response. it's a bit more complex so why EQ should be the only parameter to fix ? That's my question. 

 

There's more to it than frequency response - absolutely.

 

Re-verb, decay, harmonics.... some amps are fast... some are slow... etc.

 

I'm just saying that it's sad to dismiss certain dac/amp/headphone combos just because they turn out a little bright and a simple EQ could have solved that in two seconds.

 

Take my Anedio D1 & HD800 combo for instance. To me the combo is absolutely fantastic, there is so much detail and texture that it literally feels like I can reach out and touch the notes in front of me. However - the overall tone is a little on the bright side and can be fatiguing. So I made a gentle EQ curve where anything above 8k is -1 dB, anything over 10k is -2 dB and anything over 12k is -3dB... it's subtle but very effective and to me it brings the tone down to where is should be. Then for electronica I have a different preset with a +3dB bass boost, fantastic for trance/techno etc.

 

Some people own different headphones and switch between them for different genres. They have grado's for rock, ultrasones for trance, sennheisers for classical etc. I find that the HD800's are so good that they just need a gentle EQ nudge and they can be perfect for anything.


Edited by TwoEars - 2/11/14 at 12:20am
post #8058 of 17694

I think you're reasonnably perfectly right.

 

But I know myself, i'm not reasonnable at all :D .  I'm sure that with an EQ i would always want to fix something during each tracks. I'm not mad enough to roll tubes on my amp for each genre but with an EQ i'm sure I would have me hands tied in the back to avoid touching the EQ...

 

I really like to have several heapdhones because I consider that the headphone is not the center. Music is the most important thing. I have now enough different music to hear it during hours & hours but my brain is like a dog. my brain si used to travel in this music always by the same routes. Changing headphones is like changing routes. With My HD800 I tend to listen to particular music  and travel through my collection on the "HD800 highway" because this headphone magnifies some tracks/album/genre.  If I use my Ultrasone the travel will be very different even if I begin the travel from the same point.  My headphones are different boats and the music is the sea.  

 

So i'm afraid using eg would tend to "normalize" headphones. it's not what I look for :L3000: . I want to push my brain outside his habits and not to rebuild again and again the same audio environnement.  


Edited by Sorrodje - 2/11/14 at 12:36am
post #8059 of 17694

 

Dat 6 Khz :evil:

post #8060 of 17694
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Originally Posted by Fegefeuer View Post
 

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Dat 6 Khz :evil:

 

I did mention in the HD800 certificate of frequency response thread that the newer HD800, i.e. s.no 20xxx and above more or less has this bump at 6 kHz.

Maybe intentional by Sennheiser? :ph34r:

post #8061 of 17694
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Originally Posted by akhyar View Post
 

 

I did mention in the HD800 certificate of frequency response thread that the newer HD800, i.e. s.no 20xxx and above more or less has this bump at 6 kHz.

Maybe intentional by Sennheiser? :ph34r:

 

Funny you should say that. Mine is virtually identical to Fegefeuer's except for 6k.... ;)

 

post #8062 of 17694
Hello all. EQ is for all of us, I know how you all feel about trying to stay pure and all. There is no pure. Everything we listen to has been EQ , compressed a few times during the recording process. It even goes from dsd to analog and back a few times as well. As there is now way of EQ or modding the sound in dsd . So what I am proposing is try it. I am annoying some people here and that is fine. I am not looking to covert just open up some peoples here ears a little. My office rig is really expensive by most standars but instill use the EQ . Even on dsd 128. Why it's the cans and over all sound sig I am looking to tailor for me. It is a shame we buy all this expensive equipment and have no dad at all. There was a time no one would by a preamp with out the basic treble and bass and if it was the better mocdles you had a mid as well. Some people here approach this thought as un pure and altering the recording. Well not one of us was there when they mixed it. And the headphones and or speakers they used to mix are cheaper then what we use to listen to it.
For us that have cars or small home radio,s even a Bose . Don't you notice that most all music sounds the same on them. This is because they limit what sounds get reproduced .
We do not so all sounds come through even the ones the recording engineer did not even notice or hear. What I would really like to see is an EQ thread for us all.

And here is a another bit of info. We cannot hear a 1 or most us even 2 db cutt or increase. And I know the golden ear people will say they hear a 1/2 db bull. Only with speakers can I hear about 2 db for sure and with headphones not reall. This is why I say if you cut start at 3 db the same goes for increase. We have been dipped into thinking all of our equipment is all perfect and maybe even though it is not it's close. But we do not hear that way at all. And as indivuals it's even more changed. It's a shame we all buy expensive products and do not try to get the most out of them by buying even more accessories to try and change the sound. I laugh at that when we all have EQ right there. But no we cannot we need to go spend 300 more on a wire that will give more sound stage or whatever that claims to do and of course we all hear the change right. Well the EQ is there and if you think I am wrong get someone to help and do a blind fold and chNge the EQ . No one here will hear a change of anything less or increase of two db. Even though 3 db is a crease or decrease of 50% in change . We do not here flat . For those who nay fine . But for the people who will try it. Do it , but be stuck in a rut of supposed perfection where there is none to be had in the forts place . And if you think your amp is neutral it is not but I can say I own the hdvd800. And weather I use the dac inside or 40 k dac with the hd800 it's is overwhelmingly bright. And I am 57 years old too.
Ok bring on the bashes now !
Al
Edited by ALRAINBOW - 2/11/14 at 3:25am
post #8063 of 17694

I, for one, enjoyed your slurred speech, Al! :biggrin: 

post #8064 of 17694
Lol I know I stink at writing , I don't use glasses and I rarely proof. My advice is get through it some where in there is some good comments though . Can you believe I am a college grad and American. But overall I am getting better .lmao.
Ps headphone graphs are really not to usefull take the whole LCD group as they all have very similar graphs but sound very different .
Al
post #8065 of 17694
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Lol I know I stink at writing , I don't use glasses and I rarely proof. My advice is get through it some where in there is some good comments though . Can you believe I am a college grad and American. But overall I am getting better .lmao.
Ps headphone graphs are really not to usefull take the whole LCD group as they all have very similar graphs but sound very different .
Al

Na. I figured it was early AM and you were enjoying some beverages. Heed your words, or at least that which can be parsed.

post #8066 of 17694
Thanks and yes I do wake slowly with a large coffee.

Al
post #8067 of 17694
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

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Hello all. EQ is for all of us, I know how you all feel about trying to stay pure and all. There is no pure. Everything we listen to has been EQ , compressed a few times during the recording process. It even goes from dsd to analog and back a few times as well. As there is now way of EQ or modding the sound in dsd . So what I am proposing is try it. I am annoying some people here and that is fine. I am not looking to covert just open up some peoples here ears a little. My office rig is really expensive by most standars but instill use the EQ . Even on dsd 128. Why it's the cans and over all sound sig I am looking to tailor for me. It is a shame we buy all this expensive equipment and have no dad at all. There was a time no one would by a preamp with out the basic treble and bass and if it was the better mocdles you had a mid as well. Some people here approach this thought as un pure and altering the recording. Well not one of us was there when they mixed it. And the headphones and or speakers they used to mix are cheaper then what we use to listen to it.
For us that have cars or small home radio,s even a Bose . Don't you notice that most all music sounds the same on them. This is because they limit what sounds get reproduced .
We do not so all sounds come through even the ones the recording engineer did not even notice or hear. What I would really like to see is an EQ thread for us all.

And here is a another bit of info. We cannot hear a 1 or most us even 2 db cutt or increase. And I know the golden ear people will say they hear a 1/2 db bull. Only with speakers can I hear about 2 db for sure and with headphones not reall. This is why I say if you cut start at 3 db the same goes for increase. We have been dipped into thinking all of our equipment is all perfect and maybe even though it is not it's close. But we do not hear that way at all. And as indivuals it's even more changed. It's a shame we all buy expensive products and do not try to get the most out of them by buying even more accessories to try and change the sound. I laugh at that when we all have EQ right there. But no we cannot we need to go spend 300 more on a wire that will give more sound stage or whatever that claims to do and of course we all hear the change right. Well the EQ is there and if you think I am wrong get someone to help and do a blind fold and chNge the EQ . No one here will hear a change of anything less or increase of two db. Even though 3 db is a crease or decrease of 50% in change . We do not here flat . For those who nay fine . But for the people who will try it. Do it , but be stuck in a rut of supposed perfection where there is none to be had in the forts place . And if you think your amp is neutral it is not but I can say I own the hdvd800. And weather I use the dac inside or 40 k dac with the hd800 it's is overwhelmingly bright. And I am 57 years old too.
Ok bring on the bashes now !
Al
 
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I agree, EQ is great for tailoring music to your own tastes; however, one must bear in mind that headphones, amps, tubes, dacs and everything else in the chain often have many more qualities that fall outside the frequency curve like soundstage, decay, transients, speed, etc. Thus, it would be wise to bear in mind that the use of EQ is not the be all and end all.

EQ is not so much a solution as it is a bandaid.  


Edited by scolaiw - 2/11/14 at 5:00am
post #8068 of 17694
Understand I am not ranting. I am simply go right back at people's ideals that many others read . As such people who come here to,learn and read I NEVER use EQ. Just hurts the greater good here. I posted this because of people who are so dead against this that equivalent the raping the music . If this fits a rant then what do you consider your stance . I am not going to use words the elevate this to an argument. But your choice is yours but nothing we do in absolute. And amps and dacs do change the sound as you stated . And EQ does effect the overall sound. And maybe to your benifits if you tried it. I also staed not to use this EQ as a be all end all by genre . It is simply to change that particular can you or one of us has and tune it to our overall liking.

Here is some examples to maybe make it better for to believe in.

The LCD,s compared to the he 6. Did you know that with a little EQ they sound very simaler . Just try it
post #8069 of 17694

Maybe some people, like myself, don't use eq basically because they can't. 

 

My main system is not computer based so to use an equalizer would mean purchasing one and then adding it to my system chain with the negative effects that would bring to my system.

post #8070 of 17694
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Originally Posted by scolaiw View Post
 

EQ is not so much a solution as it is a bandaid.  

 

I could agree with that statement, but the "bandaid" needs to be qualified: we're not necessarily are trying to remedy the gear deficiencies, but the flaws of our own hearing. And the problem is not only the often seen here "everyone hears difefrently". More importantly we have to EQ to compensate for our hearing sensitivity changing with the SPL. Some of you may be familiar with this graph:

What it is showing is that our perception of equal loudness changes with the volume. This means that every time we adjust the volume, the perceived frequency response of our system changes. 

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