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post #7951 of 24341
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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post
 

 

Well, look at the Audeze or Hifiman... They release their flagship model almost every year and even though they still havent beaten HD800 (trying to do so for years), people praise them for bringing HUGE IMPROVEMENTS each time.

 

In other words, LCD-2 were supposed to be better than HD800... Then LCD-3, now LCD-X... The same goes for Hifiman... And yet all their headphones are still on the level of the HD800, at best. Do you see the trend of diminishing returns more clearly now? I do, as well as Tyll from Innerfidelity :-)


Is the LCD2 r2 better than the HD800?  

Comfort:  LCD < HD800
Detail:  LCD < HD800
Reference Neutrality:  LCD < HD800
Bass Resolution:  LCD > HD800
Fun Factor:  LCD > HD800
Scalability:  LCD < HD800



 

post #7952 of 24341
The next dynamic flagship for Sennheiser will more likely be "different" rather than better than the HD800 IMO. There is a lot of love for the HD800 and it has some really unique aspects to its sonic character that I think we will see a repeat of the HD600 vs HD650 debate. I get the feeling that Sennheiser will have to shift to electrostatics or maybe a new form of dynamic (multiple drivers maybe?) to topple the HD800.
post #7953 of 24341
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Originally Posted by Audio Jester View Post

The next dynamic flagship for Sennheiser will more likely be "different" rather than better than the HD800 IMO. There is a lot of love for the HD800 and it has some really unique aspects to its sonic character that I think we will see a repeat of the HD600 vs HD650 debate. I get the feeling that Sennheiser will have to shift to electrostatics or maybe a new form of dynamic (multiple drivers maybe?) to topple the HD800.

 

My guess is that the HD800 are going to stay their dynamic flagship for quite some time... I think companies like Sennheiser or Hifiman realised that there is not enough research/progress done to focus further on improving their dynamic/planar-magnetic designs, and therefore going to switch to electrostatic drivers again... Well, they already did - that's more than obvious now.


Edited by HeadNroll - 2/6/14 at 2:08pm
post #7954 of 24341
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I took out the 3 months-old 1350 and converted the rather bassy, tunnel-like sound to an airy, open-back.  It was a risk but the reward is worth it.  

But the HD800 is a different matter.  Screwing around with a near-perfect product may not necessarily yield an improvement.  Besides, I have NOT the courage to gut the Senn flagship.

post #7955 of 24341

Very intriguing.  Love the exploration.  Maybe in several years I can give you my HD800 to gut and woodified.  

 

 

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I took out the 3 months-old 1350 and converted the rather bassy, tunnel-like sound to an airy, open-back.  It was a risk but the reward is worth it.  

But the HD800 is a different matter.  Screwing around with a near-perfect product may not necessarily yield an improvement.  Besides, I have NOT the courage to gut the Senn flagship.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


 

 

post #7956 of 24341
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Thanks, but no thanks.  I don't think I have the stomach to tinker with it.  :P      [Peace.]

post #7957 of 24341

Yea I have to agree with the previous posts.

 

I can't imagine a dynamic flagship from Sennheiser coming out anytime soon.

 

The 800, in my eyes (and ears), has so little room for improvement with that form of driver.

 

The great news is that some of these manufacturers probably are going to go to electrostatics, which is actually great for more than a few reasons:

 

Gives companies like Sennheiser with an incredible team of engineers and sound scientists a new type of technology to work with (again for some of them).

 

I also think it is great, because one major turn off (for me at least) are the compatibility issues with headphone amps - in terms of electrostats. 

 

I would be more inclined to buy a pair of Stax if the market had a wider range of amps for them.. and I feel like if a company like Sennheiser started mass producing a flagship or at least "high end" pair of electrostats, then they alone would change the market in more ways than one.

post #7958 of 24341
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Gives companies like Sennheiser with an incredible team of engineers and sound scientists a new type of technology to work with (again for some of them).

Gives companies like Sennheiser with an incredible team of engineers and sound scientists a reason to gouge us when they release that new technology.  :(

post #7959 of 24341
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

Gives companies like Sennheiser with an incredible team of engineers and sound scientists a reason to gouge us when they release that new technology.  :(

 

haha!

 

Oh gosh I guess you are right.

 

:triportsad:

post #7960 of 24341
Possibly where we're headed?

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/512496/first-graphene-audio-speaker-easily-outperforms-traditional-designs/
post #7961 of 24341

 

Graphene is exciting new technology. 

 

I have read a lot about it in computer applications, but I haven't heard much about it in the audio world.

 

Interesting read and makes me want to look into that further.
 

 

hmm.

 

Apparently students at Berkley created a little pair of experimental headphones.
 

post #7962 of 24341
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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post
 

 

Well, look at the Audeze or Hifiman... They release their flagship model almost every year and even though they still havent beaten HD800 (trying to do so for years), people praise them for bringing HUGE IMPROVEMENTS each time.

 

In other words, LCD-2 were supposed to be better than HD800... Then LCD-3, now LCD-X... The same goes for Hifiman... And yet all their headphones are still on the level of the HD800, at best. Do you see the trend of diminishing returns more clearly now? I do, as well as Tyll from Innerfidelity :-)


I was referring to Sennheiser in regards to "a new flagship very five years", as the two posts before were specifically mentioning their developers. And this is the HD800 thread...

 

I obviously have no problem to see the issue of diminishing returns. What are you are asking about ? That others are not able to reach the performance of the latest dynamic driver with their choice of technology might just be a matter of physics and certain design properties that can not be overcome. They for sure have room for improvement.


Edited by icebear - 2/6/14 at 5:52pm
post #7963 of 24341
1993 - HD580 released
2003 - HD650 released
2009 - HD800 released

I'm not seeing the 'every 5 years'. Note that the HD600 is virtually the same unit as the HD580, just different housing/headband/etc.
post #7964 of 24341
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

1993 - HD580 released
2003 - HD650 released
2009 - HD800 released

I'm not seeing the 'every 5 years'. Note that the HD600 is virtually the same unit as the HD580, just different housing/headband/etc.

 

So essentially it took them 16 years to come up with something that's really 'new'. If they are to retain this pattern, I guess the true successor of HD800 will be released in 2025?

post #7965 of 24341
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post
 Note that the HD600 is virtually the same unit as the HD580, just different housing/headband/etc.

 

 

I heard that they almost released the HD650 with a bright green cable...but they decided against it and sold the technology to AKG instead.   :D

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